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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH][RFC] make take_dentry_name_snapshot() lockless
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2024 20:27:36 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241209202736.GZ3387508@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whnCrFZ+id8E3Y0uXVDyT4Kbu6pLdPgL42LYTNPdYDVpQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 09, 2024 at 11:06:48AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 at 19:52, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > +               struct external_name *p;
> > +               p = container_of(name->name.name, struct external_name, name[0]);
> > +               // get a valid reference
> > +               if (unlikely(!atomic_inc_not_zero(&p->u.count)))
> > +                       goto retry;
> 
> Oh - this is very much *not* safe.
> 
> The other comment I had was really about "that's bad for performance".
> But this is actually actively buggy.
> 
> If the external name ref has gone down to zero, we can *not* do that
> 
>     atomic_inc_not_zero(..)
> 
> thing any more, because the recount is in a union with the rcu_head
> for delaying the free.

D'oh.  Right you are; missed it...

> In other words: the *name* will exist for the duration of the
> rcu_read_lock() we hold, but that "p->u.count" will not. When the
> refcount has gone to zero, the refcount is no longer usable.
> 
> IOW, you may be happily incrementing what is now a RCU list head
> rather than a count.
> 
> So NAK. This cannot work.
>
> It's probably easily fixable by just not using a union in struct
> external_name, and just having separate fields for the refcount and
> the rcu_head, but in the current state your patch is fundamentally and
> dangerously buggy.

Agreed.  And yes, separating the fields (and slapping a comment explaining
why they can not be combined) would be the easiest solution - any attempts
to be clever here would be too brittle for no good reason.

      reply	other threads:[~2024-12-09 20:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-09  3:52 [PATCH][RFC] make take_dentry_name_snapshot() lockless Al Viro
2024-12-09  6:33 ` Mateusz Guzik
2024-12-09  6:58   ` Al Viro
2024-12-09  7:18     ` Mateusz Guzik
2024-12-09  7:41       ` Al Viro
2024-12-09 18:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-12-09 21:17   ` Al Viro
2024-12-09 22:28     ` Al Viro
2024-12-09 22:49       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-12-09 22:55         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-12-09 23:12           ` Al Viro
2024-12-10  2:45             ` Al Viro
2024-12-10  2:48               ` [PATCH 1/5] make sure that DCACHE_INLINE_LEN is a multiple of word size Al Viro
2024-12-10  2:48                 ` [PATCH 2/5] dcache: back inline names with a struct-wrapped array of unsigned long Al Viro
2024-12-10  2:48                 ` [PATCH 3/5] make take_dentry_name_snapshot() lockless Al Viro
2024-12-10  2:48                 ` [PATCH 4/5] dissolve external_name.u into separate members Al Viro
2024-12-10  2:48                 ` [PATCH 5/5] ext4 fast_commit: make use of name_snapshot primitives Al Viro
2024-12-23  4:25               ` [PATCH][RFC] make take_dentry_name_snapshot() lockless Al Viro
2024-12-23  4:37                 ` Al Viro
2024-12-23 21:31                 ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-24 19:18                   ` Al Viro
2024-12-24 19:44                     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-12-24 20:24                       ` Al Viro
2024-12-09 19:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-12-09 20:27   ` Al Viro [this message]

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