From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/19 v7?] RFC: Allow concurrent and async changes in a directory
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2025 15:36:57 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250206-pocken-entzwei-bd310c8d61b3@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250206054504.2950516-1-neilb@suse.de>
On Thu, Feb 06, 2025 at 04:42:37PM +1100, NeilBrown wrote:
> This is my latest attempt at removing the requirement for an exclusive
> lock on a directory which performing updates in this. This version,
> inspired by Dave Chinner, goes a step further and allow async updates.
>
> The inode operation still requires the inode lock, at least a shared
> lock, but may return -EINPROGRES and then continue asynchronously
> without needing any ongoing lock on the directory.
>
> An exclusive lock on the dentry is held across the entire operation.
>
> This change requires various extra checks. rmdir must ensure there is
> no async creation still happening. rename between directories must
> ensure non of the relevant ancestors are undergoing async rename. There
> may be or checks that I need to consider - mounting?
Mounting takes an exclusive lock on the target inode in do_lock_mount()
and finish_automount(). As long as dont_mount() can't happen
asynchronously in vfs_rmdir(), vfs_unlink() or vfs_rename() it should be
fine.
>
> One other important change since my previous posting is that I've
> dropped the idea of taking a separate exclusive lock on the directory
> when the fs doesn't support shared locking. This cannot work as it
> doeesn't prevent lookups and filesystems don't expect a lookup while
> they are changing a directory. So instead we need to choose between
> exclusive or shared for the inode on a case-by-case basis.
Which is possibly fine if we do it similar to what I suggested in the
series. As it stands with the separate methods it's a no-go for me. But
that's a solvable problem, I think.
> To make this choice we divide all ops into four groups: create, remove,
> rename, open/create. If an inode has no operations in the group that
> require an exclusive lock, then a flag is set on the inode so that
> various code knows that a shared lock is sufficient. If the flag is not
> set, an exclusive lock is obtained.
>
> I've also added rename handling and converted NFS to use all _async ops.
>
> The motivation for this comes from the general increase in scale of
> systems. We can support very large directories and many-core systems
> and applications that choose to use large directories can hit
> unnecessary contention.
>
> NFS can easily hit this when used over a high-latency link.
> Lustre already has code to allow concurrent directory updates in the
> back-end filesystem (ldiskfs - a slightly modified ext4).
> Lustre developers believe this would also benefit the client-side
> filesystem with large core counts.
>
> The idea behind the async support is to eventually connect this to
> io_uring so that one process can launch several concurrent directory
> operations. I have not looked deeply into io_uring and cannot be
> certain that the interface I've provided will be able to be used. I
> would welcome any advice on that matter, though I hope to find time to
> explore myself. For now if any _async op returns -EINPROGRESS we simply
> wait for the callback to indicate completion.
>
> Test status: only light testing. It doesn't easily blow up, but lockdep
> complains that repeated calls to d_update_wait() are bad, even though
> it has balanced acquire and release calls. Weird?
>
> Thanks,
> NeilBrown
>
> [PATCH 01/19] VFS: introduce vfs_mkdir_return()
> [PATCH 02/19] VFS: use global wait-queue table for d_alloc_parallel()
> [PATCH 03/19] VFS: use d_alloc_parallel() in lookup_one_qstr_excl()
> [PATCH 04/19] VFS: change kern_path_locked() and
> [PATCH 05/19] VFS: add common error checks to lookup_one_qstr()
> [PATCH 06/19] VFS: repack DENTRY_ flags.
> [PATCH 07/19] VFS: repack LOOKUP_ bit flags.
> [PATCH 08/19] VFS: introduce lookup_and_lock() and friends
> [PATCH 09/19] VFS: add _async versions of the various directory
> [PATCH 10/19] VFS: introduce inode flags to report locking needs for
> [PATCH 11/19] VFS: Add ability to exclusively lock a dentry and use
> [PATCH 12/19] VFS: enhance d_splice_alias to accommodate shared-lock
> [PATCH 13/19] VFS: lock dentry for ->revalidate to avoid races with
> [PATCH 14/19] VFS: Ensure no async updates happening in directory
> [PATCH 15/19] VFS: Change lookup_and_lock() to use shared lock when
> [PATCH 16/19] VFS: add lookup_and_lock_rename()
> [PATCH 17/19] nfsd: use lookup_and_lock_one() and
> [PATCH 18/19] nfs: change mkdir inode_operation to mkdir_async
> [PATCH 19/19] nfs: switch to _async for all directory ops.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-02-06 14:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-02-06 5:42 [PATCH 00/19 v7?] RFC: Allow concurrent and async changes in a directory NeilBrown
2025-02-06 5:42 ` [PATCH 01/19] VFS: introduce vfs_mkdir_return() NeilBrown
2025-02-06 12:24 ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-06 23:52 ` NeilBrown
2025-02-06 13:52 ` Jeff Layton
2025-02-06 23:57 ` NeilBrown
2025-02-07 19:45 ` Al Viro
2025-02-10 4:36 ` NeilBrown
2025-02-06 5:42 ` [PATCH 02/19] VFS: use global wait-queue table for d_alloc_parallel() NeilBrown
2025-02-07 19:32 ` Al Viro
2025-02-10 4:58 ` NeilBrown
2025-02-10 5:15 ` Al Viro
2025-02-11 23:35 ` NeilBrown
2025-02-12 0:25 ` Al Viro
2025-02-12 1:46 ` NeilBrown
2025-02-06 5:42 ` [PATCH 03/19] VFS: use d_alloc_parallel() in lookup_one_qstr_excl() and rename it NeilBrown
2025-02-06 14:30 ` Jeff Layton
2025-02-07 0:04 ` NeilBrown
2025-02-07 0:23 ` Jeff Layton
2025-02-07 20:01 ` Al Viro
2025-02-06 5:42 ` [PATCH 04/19] VFS: change kern_path_locked() and user_path_locked_at() to never return negative dentry NeilBrown
2025-02-06 12:31 ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-06 13:09 ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-07 0:08 ` NeilBrown
2025-02-06 5:42 ` [PATCH 05/19] VFS: add common error checks to lookup_one_qstr() NeilBrown
2025-02-06 12:33 ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-07 20:14 ` Al Viro
2025-02-09 20:23 ` Al Viro
2025-02-06 5:42 ` [PATCH 06/19] VFS: repack DENTRY_ flags NeilBrown
2025-02-06 12:34 ` (subset) " Christian Brauner
2025-02-06 5:42 ` [PATCH 07/19] VFS: repack LOOKUP_ bit flags NeilBrown
2025-02-06 12:44 ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-07 0:24 ` NeilBrown
2025-02-06 12:54 ` (subset) " Christian Brauner
2025-02-06 5:42 ` [PATCH 08/19] VFS: introduce lookup_and_lock() and friends NeilBrown
2025-02-06 13:49 ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-07 1:28 ` NeilBrown
2025-02-07 20:22 ` Al Viro
2025-02-08 23:18 ` Al Viro
2025-02-12 5:22 ` NeilBrown
2025-02-12 15:51 ` Al Viro
2025-02-12 20:11 ` Al Viro
2025-02-12 4:49 ` NeilBrown
2025-02-06 5:42 ` [PATCH 09/19] VFS: add _async versions of the various directory modifying inode_operations NeilBrown
2025-02-06 13:15 ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-07 1:46 ` NeilBrown
2025-02-07 22:41 ` Al Viro
2025-02-09 1:09 ` Al Viro
2025-02-09 4:57 ` Al Viro
2025-02-06 5:42 ` [PATCH 10/19] VFS: introduce inode flags to report locking needs for directory ops NeilBrown
2025-02-06 13:22 ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-07 2:01 ` NeilBrown
2025-02-06 5:42 ` [PATCH 11/19] VFS: Add ability to exclusively lock a dentry and use for create/remove operations NeilBrown
2025-02-08 1:38 ` Al Viro
2025-02-09 6:40 ` Al Viro
2025-02-06 5:42 ` [PATCH 12/19] VFS: enhance d_splice_alias to accommodate shared-lock updates NeilBrown
2025-02-06 5:42 ` [PATCH 13/19] VFS: lock dentry for ->revalidate to avoid races with rename etc NeilBrown
2025-02-07 20:28 ` Al Viro
2025-02-07 20:35 ` Al Viro
2025-02-08 1:30 ` Al Viro
2025-02-08 1:35 ` Al Viro
2025-02-12 21:22 ` Al Viro
2025-02-06 5:42 ` [PATCH 14/19] VFS: Ensure no async updates happening in directory being removed NeilBrown
2025-02-06 14:06 ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-07 2:17 ` NeilBrown
2025-02-07 21:06 ` Al Viro
2025-02-08 22:06 ` Al Viro
2025-02-08 22:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-08 22:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-08 23:25 ` Al Viro
2025-02-06 5:42 ` [PATCH 15/19] VFS: Change lookup_and_lock() to use shared lock when possible NeilBrown
2025-02-06 5:42 ` [PATCH 16/19] VFS: add lookup_and_lock_rename() NeilBrown
2025-02-07 21:21 ` Al Viro
2025-02-06 5:42 ` [PATCH 17/19] nfsd: use lookup_and_lock_one() and lookup_and_lock_rename_one() NeilBrown
2025-02-06 5:42 ` [PATCH 18/19] nfs: change mkdir inode_operation to mkdir_async NeilBrown
2025-02-06 5:42 ` [PATCH 19/19] nfs: switch to _async for all directory ops NeilBrown
2025-02-13 3:51 ` Al Viro
2025-02-13 4:09 ` Al Viro
2025-02-13 18:01 ` Al Viro
2025-02-06 14:36 ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2025-02-06 15:36 ` [PATCH 00/19 v7?] RFC: Allow concurrent and async changes in a directory John Stoffel
2025-02-07 2:18 ` NeilBrown
2025-02-09 23:33 ` Al Viro
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