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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: "Sapkal, Swapnil" <swapnil.sapkal@amd.com>
Cc: Manfred Spraul <manfred@colorfullife.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	WangYuli <wangyuli@uniontech.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	"Shenoy, Gautham Ranjal" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
	Neeraj.Upadhyay@amd.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] pipe_read: don't wake up the writer if the pipe is still full
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 15:24:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250224142329.GA19016@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e813814e-7094-4673-bc69-731af065a0eb@amd.com>

Hi Sapkal,

On 02/24, Sapkal, Swapnil wrote:
>
> We saw hang in hackbench in our weekly regression testing on mainline
> kernel. The bisect pointed to this commit.

OMG. This patch caused a lot of "hackbench performance degradation" reports,
but hang??

Just in case, did you use

	https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/utils/rt-tests/rt-tests.git/tree/src/hackbench/hackbench.c

?

OK, I gave up ;) I'll send the revert patch tomorrow (can't do this today)
even if I still don't see how this patch can be wrong.

> Whenever I compare the case where was_full would have been set but
> wake_writer was not set, I see the following pattern:
>
> ret = 100 (Read was successful)
> pipe_full() = 1
> total_len = 0
> buf->len != 0
>
> total_len is computed using iov_iter_count() while the buf->len is the
> length of the buffer corresponding to tail(pipe->bufs[tail & mask].len).
> Looking at pipe_write(), there seems to be a case where the writer can make
> progress when (chars && !was_empty) which only looks at iov_iter_count().
> Could it be the case that there is still room in the buffer but we are not
> waking up the writer?

I don't think so, but perhaps I am totally confused.

If the writer sleeps on pipe->wr_wait, it has already tried to write into
the pipe->bufs[head - 1] buffer before the sleep.

Yes, the reader can read from that buffer, but this won't make it more "writable"
for this particular writer, "PAGE_SIZE - buf->offset + buf->len" won't be changed.
I even wrote the test-case, let me quote my old email below.

Thanks,

Oleg.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Meanwhile I wrote a stupid test-case below.

Without the patch

	State:	S (sleeping)
	voluntary_ctxt_switches:	74
	nonvoluntary_ctxt_switches:	5
	State:	S (sleeping)
	voluntary_ctxt_switches:	4169
	nonvoluntary_ctxt_switches:	5
	finally release the buffer
	wrote next char!

With the patch

	State:	S (sleeping)
	voluntary_ctxt_switches:	74
	nonvoluntary_ctxt_switches:	3
	State:	S (sleeping)
	voluntary_ctxt_switches:	74
	nonvoluntary_ctxt_switches:	3
	finally release the buffer
	wrote next char!

As you can see, without this patch pipe_read() wakes the writer up
4095 times for no reason, the writer burns a bit of CPU and blocks
again after wakeup until the last read(fd[0], &c, 1).

Oleg.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <unistd.h>
#include <assert.h>
#include <sys/ioctl.h>
#include <stdio.h>
#include <errno.h>

int main(void)
{
	int fd[2], nb, cnt;
	char cmd[1024], c;

	assert(pipe(fd) == 0);

	nb = 1; assert(ioctl(fd[1], FIONBIO, &nb) == 0);
	while (write(fd[1], &c, 1) == 1);
	assert(errno = -EAGAIN);
	nb = 0; assert(ioctl(fd[1], FIONBIO, &nb) == 0);

	// The pipe is full, the next write() will block.

	sprintf(cmd, "grep -e State -e ctxt_switches /proc/%d/status", getpid());

	if (!fork()) {
		// wait until the parent sleeps in pipe_write()
		usleep(10000);

		system(cmd);
		// trigger 4095 unnecessary wakeups
		for (cnt = 0; cnt < 4095; ++cnt) {
			assert(read(fd[0], &c, 1) == 1);
			usleep(1000);
		}
		system(cmd);

		// this should actually wake the writer
		printf("finally release the buffer\n");
		assert(read(fd[0], &c, 1) == 1);
		return 0;
	}

	assert(write(fd[1], &c, 1) == 1);
	printf("wrote next char!\n");

	return 0;
}


  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-24 14:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-02 14:07 [PATCH] pipe_read: don't wake up the writer if the pipe is still full Oleg Nesterov
2025-01-02 16:20 ` WangYuli
2025-01-02 16:46   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-01-04  8:42 ` Christian Brauner
2025-01-31  9:49 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-01-31 13:23   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-01-31 20:06   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-02 17:01     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-02 18:39       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-02 19:32         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-04 11:17         ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-03  9:05       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-02-04 13:49         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-24  9:26 ` Sapkal, Swapnil
2025-02-24 14:24   ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2025-02-24 18:36     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-25 14:26       ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-25 11:57     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26  5:55       ` Sapkal, Swapnil
2025-02-26 11:38         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 17:56           ` Sapkal, Swapnil
2025-02-26 18:12             ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-03 13:00       ` Alexey Gladkov
2025-03-03 15:46         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-03 17:18           ` Alexey Gladkov
2025-02-26 13:18     ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-26 13:21       ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-26 17:16         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-27 16:18       ` Sapkal, Swapnil
2025-02-27 16:34         ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-27 21:12         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-28  5:58           ` Sapkal, Swapnil
2025-02-28 14:30             ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-28 16:33               ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-03  9:46                 ` Sapkal, Swapnil
2025-03-03 14:37                   ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-03-03 14:51                     ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-03-03 15:31                       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-03 17:54                         ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-03-03 18:11                           ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-03 18:33                             ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-03-03 18:55                               ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-03 19:06                                 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-03-03 20:27                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-03 20:46                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-04  5:31                                     ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-04  6:32                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-04 12:54                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-04 13:25                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-04 18:28                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-04 22:11                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-05  4:40                                         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-05  4:52                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-04 13:51                                     ` [PATCH] fs/pipe: Read pipe->{head,tail} atomically outside pipe->mutex K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-04 18:36                                       ` Alexey Gladkov
2025-03-04 19:03                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-05 15:31                                     ` [PATCH] pipe_read: don't wake up the writer if the pipe is still full Rasmus Villemoes
2025-03-05 16:50                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-06  9:48                                         ` Rasmus Villemoes
2025-03-06 14:42                                           ` Rasmus Villemoes
2025-03-05 16:40                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-06  8:35                                       ` Rasmus Villemoes
2025-03-06 17:59                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-06  9:28                                       ` Rasmus Villemoes
2025-03-06 11:39                                       ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] pipe: Convert pipe->{head,tail} to unsigned short K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-06 11:39                                         ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] fs/pipe: Limit the slots in pipe_resize_ring() K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-06 12:28                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-06 15:26                                             ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-06 11:39                                         ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] fs/splice: Atomically read pipe->{head,tail} in opipe_prep() K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-06 11:39                                         ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] treewide: pipe: Convert all references to pipe->{head,tail,max_usage,ring_size} to unsigned short K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-06 12:32                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-06 12:41                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-06 15:33                                               ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-06 18:04                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-06 14:27                                             ` Rasmus Villemoes
2025-03-03 18:32                           ` [PATCH] pipe_read: don't wake up the writer if the pipe is still full K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-04  5:22                             ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-03 16:49                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-04  5:06                   ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-04  5:35                     ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-04 10:29                       ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-04 12:34                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-04 23:35                           ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-04 23:49                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-05  4:56                               ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-05 11:44                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-05 22:46                                   ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-06  9:30                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-07  6:08                                       ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-07  6:24                                         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-07 10:46                                           ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-07 11:29                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-07 12:34                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-07 23:56                                                 ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-09 14:01                                                   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-09 17:02                                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-10 10:49                                                     ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-10 11:09                                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-10 11:37                                                         ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-10 12:43                                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-10 23:33                                                             ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-11  0:26                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-11  6:54                                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                                               ` <20250311112922.3342-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2025-03-11 11:53                                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-07 11:26                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-27 12:50   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-27 13:52     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-27 15:59     ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-27 16:28       ` Oleg Nesterov

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