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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: John Garry <john.g.garry@oracle.com>
Cc: brauner@kernel.org, djwong@kernel.org, cem@kernel.org,
	dchinner@redhat.com, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	ojaswin@linux.ibm.com, ritesh.list@gmail.com,
	martin.petersen@oracle.com, tytso@mit.edu,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 10/13] xfs: iomap COW-based atomic write support
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2025 09:32:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250318083203.GA18902@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <eff45548-df5a-469b-a4ee-6d09845c86e2@oracle.com>

On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 08:22:53AM +0000, John Garry wrote:
>> Is xfs_reflink_allocate_cow even the right helper to use?  We know we
>> absolutely want a a COW fork extent, we know there can't be delalloc
>> extent to convert as we flushed dirty data, so most of the logic in it
>> is pointless.
>
> Well xfs_reflink_allocate_cow gives us what we want when we set some flag 
> (XFS_REFLINK_FORCE_COW).
>
> Are you hinting at a dedicated helper? Note that 
> xfs_reflink_fill_cow_hole() also handles the XFS_REFLINK_FORCE_COW flag.

We might not even need much of a helper.  This all comes from my
experience with the zoned code that always writes out of place as well.
I initially tried to reuse the existing iomap_begin methods and all
these helpers, but in the end it turned out to much, much simpler to
just open code the logic.  Now the atomic cow code will be a little
more complex in some aspect (unwritten extents, speculative
preallocations), but also simpler in others (no need to support buffered
I/O including zeroing and sub-block writes that require the ugly
srcmap based read-modify-write), but I suspect the overall trade-off
will be similar.

After all the high-level logic for the atomic COW iomap_begin really
should just be:

 - take the ilock
 - check the COW fork if there is an extent for the start of the range.
 - If yes:
     - if the extent is unwritten, convert the part overlapping with
       the range to written
     - return the extent
 - If no:
     - allocate a new extent covering the range in the COW fork

Doing this without going down multiple levels of helpers designed for
an entirely different use case will probably simplify things
significantly.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-18  8:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-13 17:12 [PATCH v6 00/13] large atomic writes for xfs with CoW John Garry
2025-03-13 17:12 ` [PATCH v6 01/13] iomap: inline iomap_dio_bio_opflags() John Garry
2025-03-16 13:40   ` Ritesh Harjani
2025-03-17  6:07   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-13 17:12 ` [PATCH v6 02/13] iomap: comment on atomic write checks in iomap_dio_bio_iter() John Garry
2025-03-17  6:08   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-17  8:22     ` John Garry
2025-03-17 14:16   ` Ritesh Harjani
2025-03-13 17:13 ` [PATCH v6 03/13] iomap: rework IOMAP atomic flags John Garry
2025-03-17  6:11   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-17  9:05     ` John Garry
2025-03-18  5:32       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-18  8:11         ` John Garry
2025-03-17 13:44   ` Ritesh Harjani
2025-03-17 14:25     ` John Garry
2025-03-13 17:13 ` [PATCH v6 04/13] xfs: pass flags to xfs_reflink_allocate_cow() John Garry
2025-03-17  6:15   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-17  9:17     ` John Garry
2025-03-18  5:33       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-18  8:12         ` John Garry
2025-03-13 17:13 ` [PATCH v6 05/13] xfs: allow block allocator to take an alignment hint John Garry
2025-03-17  6:16   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-13 17:13 ` [PATCH v6 06/13] xfs: switch atomic write size check in xfs_file_write_iter() John Garry
2025-03-17  6:18   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-17  9:17     ` John Garry
2025-03-13 17:13 ` [PATCH v6 07/13] xfs: refactor xfs_reflink_end_cow_extent() John Garry
2025-03-17  6:19   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-13 17:13 ` [PATCH v6 08/13] xfs: reflink CoW-based atomic write support John Garry
2025-03-17  6:20   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-13 17:13 ` [PATCH v6 09/13] xfs: add XFS_REFLINK_ALLOC_EXTSZALIGN John Garry
2025-03-13 18:03   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-03-17  6:23   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-13 17:13 ` [PATCH v6 10/13] xfs: iomap COW-based atomic write support John Garry
2025-03-16  6:53   ` Ritesh Harjani
2025-03-17  8:54     ` John Garry
2025-03-17 14:20       ` Ritesh Harjani
2025-03-17 14:56         ` John Garry
2025-03-18  5:35           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-17  7:26   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-17 10:18     ` John Garry
2025-03-18  5:39       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-18  8:22         ` John Garry
2025-03-18  8:32           ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2025-03-18 17:44             ` John Garry
2025-03-19  7:30               ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-19 10:24                 ` John Garry
2025-03-20  5:29                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-20  9:49                     ` John Garry
2025-03-20 14:12                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-13 17:13 ` [PATCH v6 11/13] xfs: add xfs_file_dio_write_atomic() John Garry
2025-03-17  6:41   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-17  9:36     ` John Garry
2025-03-18  5:43       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-18  8:42         ` John Garry
2025-03-18  8:46           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-18  9:12             ` John Garry
2025-03-13 17:13 ` [PATCH v6 12/13] xfs: commit CoW-based atomic writes atomically John Garry
2025-03-17  6:56   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-17  9:43     ` John Garry
2025-03-13 17:13 ` [PATCH v6 13/13] xfs: update atomic write max size John Garry
2025-03-17  7:25   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-17  9:57     ` John Garry
2025-03-18  5:47       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-18  5:48 ` [PATCH v6 00/13] large atomic writes for xfs with CoW Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-18  8:44   ` John Garry

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