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From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 mcgrof@kernel.org, jack@suse.cz, hch@infradead.org,
	david@fromorbit.com,  rafael@kernel.org, djwong@kernel.org,
	pavel@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,  mingo@redhat.com,
	will@kernel.org, boqun.feng@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 4/4] vfs: add filesystem freeze/thaw callbacks for power management
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2025 16:52:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250328-ungnade-feldhasen-4a447a33068c@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cd5c3d8aab9c5fb37fa018cb3302ecf7d2bdb140.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

> Since this is a hybrid thread between power management and VFS, could I
> just summarize what I think the various superblock locks are before
> discussing the actual problem (important because the previous threads
> always gave the impression of petering out for fear of vfs locking).
> 
> s_count: outermost of the superblock locks refcounting the superblock
> structure itself, making no guarantee that any of the underlying
> filesystem superblock structures are attached (i.e. kill_sb() may have
> been called).  Taken by incrementing under the global sb_lock and
> decremented using a put_super() variant.

and protects the presence of the superblock on the global super lists.

> 
> s_active: an atomic reference counting the underlying filesystem
> specific superblock structures.  if you hold s_active, kill_sb cannot
> be called.  Acquired by atomic_inc_not_zero() with a possible failure
> if it is zero and released by deactivate_super() and its variants.

or deactivate_locked_super() depending on whether s_umount is held or
not.

> 
> s_umount: rwsem and innermost of the superblock locks. Used to protect

No, it's not innermost. super_lock is a spinlock and obviously doesn't
nest with the semaphore. It's almost always the outmost lock for what
we're discussing here. Even is the outermost lock with most block device
locks.

It's also intimately tied into mount code and has implications for the
dcache and icache. That's all orthogonal to this thread.

> various operations from races.  Taken exclusively with down_write and
> shared with down_read. Private functions internal to super.c wrap this
> with grab_super and super_lock_shared/excl() wrappers.

See also the Documentation/filesystems/lock I added.

> 
> The explicit freeze/thaw_super() functions require the s_umount rwsem
> in down_write or exclusive mode and take it as the first step in their
> operation.  Looking at the locking in fs_bdev_freeze/thaw() implies
> that the super_operations freeze_super/thaw_super *don't* need this
> taken (presumably they handle it internally).

Block device locking cannot acquire the s_umount as that would cause
lock inversion with the block device open_mutex. The locking scheme
using sb_lock and the holder mutex allow safely acquiring the
superblock. It's orthogonal to what you're doing though.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-28 15:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-27 14:06 [RFC PATCH 0/4] vfs freeze/thaw on suspend/resume James Bottomley
2025-03-27 14:06 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] locking/percpu-rwsem: add freezable alternative to down_read James Bottomley
2025-03-31 19:51   ` James Bottomley
2025-03-31 23:32     ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01  1:13       ` James Bottomley
2025-04-01 11:20         ` Jan Kara
2025-04-01 12:50           ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 12:52           ` James Bottomley
2025-04-02 11:47             ` Jan Kara
2025-03-27 14:06 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] vfs: make sb_start_write freezable James Bottomley
2025-03-27 17:36   ` Jan Kara
2025-03-27 14:06 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] fs/super.c: introduce reverse superblock iterator and use it in emergency remount James Bottomley
2025-03-28 11:56   ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 12:38     ` James Bottomley
2025-03-28 16:15     ` [PATCH 0/6] Extend freeze support to suspend and hibernate Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15       ` [PATCH 1/6] super: remove pointless s_root checks Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15       ` [PATCH 2/6] super: simplify user_get_super() Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15       ` [PATCH 3/6] super: skip dying superblocks early Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15       ` [PATCH 4/6] super: use a common iterator (Part 1) Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15       ` [PATCH 5/6] super: use common iterator (Part 2) Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 18:58         ` James Bottomley
2025-03-29  7:34           ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15       ` [PATCH 6/6] super: add filesystem freezing helpers for suspend and hibernate Christian Brauner
2025-03-29  8:42       ` [PATCH v2 0/6] Extend freeze support to " Christian Brauner
2025-03-29  8:42         ` [PATCH v2 1/6] super: remove pointless s_root checks Christian Brauner
2025-03-31  9:57           ` Jan Kara
2025-06-11 16:26           ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-12 12:20             ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-29  8:42         ` [PATCH v2 2/6] super: simplify user_get_super() Christian Brauner
2025-03-31  9:58           ` Jan Kara
2025-03-29  8:42         ` [PATCH v2 3/6] super: skip dying superblocks early Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 10:00           ` Jan Kara
2025-03-29  8:42         ` [PATCH v2 4/6] super: use a common iterator (Part 1) Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 10:01           ` Jan Kara
2025-03-29  8:42         ` [PATCH v2 5/6] super: use common iterator (Part 2) Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 10:07           ` Jan Kara
2025-03-31 10:15             ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-29  8:42         ` [PATCH v2 6/6] super: add filesystem freezing helpers for suspend and hibernate Christian Brauner
2025-03-29  8:46           ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 10:23           ` Jan Kara
2025-03-31 10:25             ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-29 14:04         ` [PATCH v2 0/6] Extend freeze support to " James Bottomley
2025-03-29 17:02           ` James Bottomley
2025-03-30  8:33             ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-30 11:53               ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-30 14:00               ` James Bottomley
2025-03-31  9:13                 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 10:36             ` Jan Kara
2025-03-31 14:49               ` James Bottomley
2025-03-31 23:33               ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 12:42         ` [PATCH 0/2] efivarfs: support freeze/thaw Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 12:42           ` [PATCH 1/2] libfs: export find_next_child() Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 12:42           ` [PATCH 2/2] efivarfs: support freeze/thaw Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 14:46             ` James Bottomley
2025-03-31 15:03               ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 19:31             ` James Bottomley
2025-04-02  7:44               ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 14:05           ` [PATCH 0/2] " Ard Biesheuvel
2025-04-01  0:32           ` [PATCH 0/6] power: wire-up filesystem freeze/thaw with suspend/resume Christian Brauner
2025-04-01  0:32             ` [PATCH 1/6] ext4: replace kthread freezing with auto fs freezing Christian Brauner
2025-04-01  9:16               ` Jan Kara
2025-04-01  9:35                 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 10:08                   ` Jan Kara
2025-04-01  0:32             ` [PATCH 2/6] btrfs: " Christian Brauner
2025-04-01  0:32             ` [PATCH 3/6] xfs: " Christian Brauner
2025-04-01  1:11               ` Dave Chinner
2025-04-01  7:17                 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 11:35                   ` Dave Chinner
2025-04-01 12:45                     ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01  0:32             ` [PATCH 4/6] fs: add owner of freeze/thaw Christian Brauner
2025-04-01  0:32             ` [PATCH 5/6] fs: allow pagefault based writers to be frozen Christian Brauner
2025-04-01  0:32             ` [PATCH 6/6] power: freeze filesystems during suspend/resume Christian Brauner
2025-04-01  8:16             ` [PATCH 0/6] power: wire-up filesystem freeze/thaw with suspend/resume Christian Brauner
2025-04-01  9:32             ` Jan Kara
2025-04-01 13:03               ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 16:57                 ` Jan Kara
2025-04-02 14:07                   ` [PATCH v2 0/4] " Christian Brauner
2025-04-02 14:07                     ` [PATCH v2 1/4] fs: add owner of freeze/thaw Christian Brauner
2025-04-03 14:56                       ` Jan Kara
2025-04-03 19:33                         ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-04 10:24                         ` [PATCH] fs: allow nesting with FREEZE_EXCL Christian Brauner
2025-04-07  9:08                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-05-07 11:18                           ` Jan Kara
2025-05-09 10:38                             ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-02 14:07                     ` [PATCH v2 2/4] fs: allow all writers to be frozen Christian Brauner
2025-04-02 15:32                       ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-02 16:03                         ` James Bottomley
2025-04-02 16:13                           ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-03 14:59                       ` Jan Kara
2025-04-02 14:07                     ` [PATCH v2 3/4] power: freeze filesystems during suspend/resume Christian Brauner
2025-04-03 16:29                       ` Jan Kara
2025-04-02 14:07                     ` [PATCH v2 4/4] kernfs: add warning about implementing freeze/thaw Christian Brauner
2025-04-03 15:00                       ` Jan Kara
2025-07-20 19:23                     ` [PATCH v2 0/4] power: wire-up filesystem freeze/thaw with suspend/resume Askar Safin
2025-07-21 12:09                       ` Jan Kara
2025-08-04  5:31                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-08-04  6:02                           ` Askar Safin
2025-08-04  6:51                             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-04-01 14:14             ` [PATCH 0/6] " Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-01 14:40               ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 14:59                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-01 17:02             ` James Bottomley
2025-04-02  7:46               ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-08 15:43                 ` James Bottomley
2025-04-08 17:09                   ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-04-08 17:20                     ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-04-08 17:26                       ` James Bottomley
2025-04-08 17:24                     ` James Bottomley
2025-04-09  7:17                   ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-27 14:06 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] vfs: add filesystem freeze/thaw callbacks for power management James Bottomley
2025-03-27 18:20   ` Jan Kara
2025-03-28 14:21     ` James Bottomley
2025-03-28 14:36       ` James Bottomley
2025-03-28 10:08   ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 14:14     ` James Bottomley
2025-03-28 15:52       ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2025-03-28 16:15         ` James Bottomley
2025-03-29  8:23           ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 12:01   ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 14:40     ` James Bottomley

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