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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	"Tobin C. Harding" <tobin@kernel.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Byungchul Park <byungchul@sk.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Revisiting Slab Movable Objects
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2025 02:47:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250423014732.GC2023217@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aAa-gCSHDFcNS3HS@dread.disaster.area>

On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 07:54:08AM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:

> I don't have a solution for the dentry cache reference issues - the
> dentry cache maintains the working set of files, so anything that
> randomly shoots down unused dentries for compaction is likely to
> have negative performance implications for dentry cache intensive
> workloads.

Just to restate the obvious: _relocation_ of dentries is hopeless for
many, many reasons - starting with "hash of dentry depends upon
the address of its parent dentry".  Freeing anything with zero refcount...
sure, no problem - assuming that you are holding rcu_read_lock(),
	if (READ_ONCE(dentry->d_count) == 0) {
		spin_lock(&dentry->d_lock);
		if (dentry->d_count == 0)
			to_shrink_list(dentry, list);
		spin_unlock(&dentry->d_lock);
	}
followed by rcu_read_unlock() and shrink_dentry_list(&list) once you
are done collecting the candidates.  If you want to wait for them to
actually freed, synchronize_rcu() after rcu_read_unlock() (freeing is
RCU-delayed).

Performance implications are separate story - it really depends upon
a lot of details.  But simple "I want all unused dentries in this
page kicked out" is doable.  And in-use dentries are no-go, no matter
what.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-23  1:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <aAZMe21Ic2sDIAtY@harry>
2025-04-21 21:54 ` [DISCUSSION] Revisiting Slab Movable Objects Dave Chinner
2025-04-23  1:47   ` Al Viro [this message]
2025-04-23  7:20     ` Harry Yoo
2025-04-23  7:40       ` Al Viro
2025-04-25 11:09   ` Harry Yoo
2025-04-28 15:31     ` Jann Horn
2025-04-30 13:11       ` Harry Yoo
2025-04-30 22:23         ` Jann Horn
2025-05-05 23:29         ` Dave Chinner

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