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From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
To: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, "Jann Horn" <jannh@google.com>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"Kuniyuki Iwashima" <kuniyu@amazon.com>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Oleg Nesterov" <oleg@redhat.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Alexander Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Daan De Meyer" <daan.j.demeyer@gmail.com>,
	"David Rheinsberg" <david@readahead.eu>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>, "Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>,
	"Lennart Poettering" <lennart@poettering.net>,
	"Luca Boccassi" <luca.boccassi@gmail.com>,
	"Mike Yuan" <me@yhndnzj.com>, "Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"Simon Horman" <horms@kernel.org>,
	"Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek" <zbyszek@in.waw.pl>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	"Alexander Mikhalitsyn" <alexander@mihalicyn.com>,
	"Serge Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 0/9] coredump: add coredump socket
Date: Tue, 20 May 2025 12:28:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250520122838.29131f04@hermes.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250516-work-coredump-socket-v8-0-664f3caf2516@kernel.org>

On Fri, 16 May 2025 13:25:27 +0200
Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org> wrote:

> Coredumping currently supports two modes:
> 
> (1) Dumping directly into a file somewhere on the filesystem.
> (2) Dumping into a pipe connected to a usermode helper process
>     spawned as a child of the system_unbound_wq or kthreadd.
> 
> For simplicity I'm mostly ignoring (1). There's probably still some
> users of (1) out there but processing coredumps in this way can be
> considered adventurous especially in the face of set*id binaries.
> 
> The most common option should be (2) by now. It works by allowing
> userspace to put a string into /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern like:
> 
>         |/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-coredump %P %u %g %s %t %c %h
> 
> The "|" at the beginning indicates to the kernel that a pipe must be
> used. The path following the pipe indicator is a path to a binary that
> will be spawned as a usermode helper process. Any additional parameters
> pass information about the task that is generating the coredump to the
> binary that processes the coredump.
> 
> In the example core_pattern shown above systemd-coredump is spawned as a
> usermode helper. There's various conceptual consequences of this
> (non-exhaustive list):
> 
> - systemd-coredump is spawned with file descriptor number 0 (stdin)
>   connected to the read-end of the pipe. All other file descriptors are
>   closed. That specifically includes 1 (stdout) and 2 (stderr). This has
>   already caused bugs because userspace assumed that this cannot happen
>   (Whether or not this is a sane assumption is irrelevant.).
> 
> - systemd-coredump will be spawned as a child of system_unbound_wq. So
>   it is not a child of any userspace process and specifically not a
>   child of PID 1. It cannot be waited upon and is in a weird hybrid
>   upcall which are difficult for userspace to control correctly.
> 
> - systemd-coredump is spawned with full kernel privileges. This
>   necessitates all kinds of weird privilege dropping excercises in
>   userspace to make this safe.
> 
> - A new usermode helper has to be spawned for each crashing process.
> 
> This series adds a new mode:
> 
> (3) Dumping into an AF_UNIX socket.
> 
> Userspace can set /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern to:
> 
>         @/path/to/coredump.socket
> 
> The "@" at the beginning indicates to the kernel that an AF_UNIX
> coredump socket will be used to process coredumps.
> 
> The coredump socket must be located in the initial mount namespace.
> When a task coredumps it opens a client socket in the initial network
> namespace and connects to the coredump socket.


There is a problem with using @ as naming convention.
The starting character of @ is already used to indicate abstract
unix domain sockets in some programs like ss.
And will the new coredump socekt allow use of abstrace unix
domain sockets?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-05-20 19:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-16 11:25 [PATCH v8 0/9] coredump: add coredump socket Christian Brauner
2025-05-16 11:25 ` [PATCH v8 1/9] coredump: massage format_corename() Christian Brauner
2025-05-16 11:25 ` [PATCH v8 2/9] coredump: massage do_coredump() Christian Brauner
2025-05-16 11:25 ` [PATCH v8 3/9] coredump: reflow dump helpers a little Christian Brauner
2025-05-16 11:25 ` [PATCH v8 4/9] coredump: add coredump socket Christian Brauner
2025-05-16 14:33   ` Jann Horn
2025-05-22 23:25   ` Paul Moore
2025-05-23  0:59   ` Randy Dunlap
2025-05-16 11:25 ` [PATCH v8 5/9] pidfs, coredump: add PIDFD_INFO_COREDUMP Christian Brauner
2025-05-16 14:37   ` Jann Horn
2025-05-16 11:25 ` [PATCH v8 6/9] coredump: show supported coredump modes Christian Brauner
2025-05-16 11:25 ` [PATCH v8 7/9] coredump: validate socket name as it is written Christian Brauner
2025-05-16 11:25 ` [PATCH v8 8/9] selftests/pidfd: add PIDFD_INFO_COREDUMP infrastructure Christian Brauner
2025-05-16 11:25 ` [PATCH v8 9/9] selftests/coredump: add tests for AF_UNIX coredumps Christian Brauner
2025-05-20 19:28 ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2025-05-21  0:41   ` [PATCH v8 0/9] coredump: add coredump socket Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-21  0:54     ` Jann Horn
2025-05-21 15:12       ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-21 11:12   ` Christian Brauner

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