From: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, joannelkoong@gmail.com,
linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, bernd@bsbernd.com, John@groves.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/11] fuse: fix livelock in synchronous file put from fuseblk workers
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 18:08:44 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250531010844.GF8328@frogsfrogsfrogs> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJfpegsn2eBjy27rncxYBQ1heoiA1tme8oExF-d_C9DoFq34ow@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 01:08:25PM +0200, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> On Thu, 22 May 2025 at 02:02, Darrick J. Wong <djwong@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> > Fix this by only using synchronous fputs for fuseblk servers if the
> > process doesn't have PF_LOCAL_THROTTLE. Hopefully the fuseblk server
> > had the good sense to call PR_SET_IO_FLUSHER to mark itself as a
> > filesystem server.
>
> The bug is valid.
>
> I just wonder if we really need to check against the task flag instead
> of always sending release async, which would simplify things.
>
> The sync release originates from commit 5a18ec176c93 ("fuse: fix hang
> of single threaded fuseblk filesystem"), but then commit baebccbe997d
> ("fuse: hold inode instead of path after release") made that obsolete.
>
> Anybody sees a reason why sync release for fuseblk is a good idea?
The best reason that I can think of is that normally the process that
owns the fd (and hence is releasing it) should be made to wait for
the release, because normally we want processes that generate file
activity to pay those costs. It's just this weird case where the fd
already got closed but aio is still going in the background.
(yeah, everyone hates aio ;))
Also: is it a bug that the kernel only sends FUSE_DESTROY on umount for
fuseblk filesystems? I'd have thought that you'd want to make umount
block until the fuse server is totally done. OTOH I guess I could see
an argument for not waiting for potentially hung servers, etc.
--D
> Thanks,
> Miklos
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-05-31 1:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-05-21 23:58 [RFC[RAP]] fuse: use fs-iomap for better performance so we can containerize ext4 Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:01 ` [PATCHSET RFC[RAP]] fuse: allow servers to use iomap for better file IO performance Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:02 ` [PATCH 01/11] fuse: fix livelock in synchronous file put from fuseblk workers Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-29 11:08 ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-05-31 1:08 ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2025-06-06 13:54 ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-06-09 18:13 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-09 20:29 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:02 ` [PATCH 02/11] iomap: exit early when iomap_iter is called with zero length Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:03 ` [PATCH 03/11] fuse: implement the basic iomap mechanisms Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-29 22:15 ` Joanne Koong
2025-05-29 23:15 ` Joanne Koong
2025-06-03 0:13 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:03 ` [PATCH 04/11] fuse: add a notification to add new iomap devices Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 16:46 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-05-22 17:11 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:03 ` [PATCH 05/11] fuse: send FUSE_DESTROY to userspace when tearing down an iomap connection Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:04 ` [PATCH 06/11] fuse: implement basic iomap reporting such as FIEMAP and SEEK_{DATA,HOLE} Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:04 ` [PATCH 07/11] fuse: implement direct IO with iomap Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:04 ` [PATCH 08/11] fuse: implement buffered " Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:04 ` [PATCH 09/11] fuse: implement large folios for iomap pagecache files Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:05 ` [PATCH 10/11] fuse: use an unrestricted backing device with iomap pagecache io Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:05 ` [PATCH 11/11] fuse: advertise support for iomap Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:01 ` [PATCHSET RFC[RAP]] libfuse: allow servers to use iomap for better file IO performance Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:05 ` [PATCH 1/8] libfuse: add kernel gates for FUSE_IOMAP and bump libfuse api version Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:05 ` [PATCH 2/8] libfuse: add fuse commands for iomap_begin and end Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:06 ` [PATCH 3/8] libfuse: add upper level iomap commands Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:06 ` [PATCH 4/8] libfuse: add a notification to add a new device to iomap Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:06 ` [PATCH 5/8] libfuse: add iomap ioend low level handler Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:06 ` [PATCH 6/8] libfuse: add upper level iomap ioend commands Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:07 ` [PATCH 7/8] libfuse: add FUSE_IOMAP_PAGECACHE Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:07 ` [PATCH 8/8] libfuse: allow discovery of the kernel's iomap capabilities Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:02 ` [PATCHSET RFC[RAP] 2/3] libext2fs: refactoring for fuse2fs iomap support Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:08 ` [PATCH 01/10] libext2fs: always fsync the device when flushing the cache Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:08 ` [PATCH 02/10] libext2fs: always fsync the device when closing the unix IO manager Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:09 ` [PATCH 03/10] libext2fs: only fsync the unix fd if we wrote to the device Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:09 ` [PATCH 04/10] libext2fs: invalidate cached blocks when freeing them Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:09 ` [PATCH 05/10] libext2fs: add tagged block IO for better caching Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:09 ` [PATCH 06/10] libext2fs: add tagged block IO caching to the unix IO manager Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:10 ` [PATCH 07/10] libext2fs: only flush affected blocks in unix_write_byte Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:10 ` [PATCH 08/10] libext2fs: allow unix_write_byte when the write would be aligned Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:10 ` [PATCH 09/10] libext2fs: allow clients to ask to write full superblocks Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:10 ` [PATCH 10/10] libext2fs: allow callers to disallow I/O to file data blocks Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:02 ` [PATCHSET RFC[RAP] 3/3] fuse2fs: use fuse iomap data paths for better file I/O performance Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:11 ` [PATCH 01/16] fuse2fs: implement bare minimum iomap for file mapping reporting Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:11 ` [PATCH 02/16] fuse2fs: register block devices for use with iomap Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:11 ` [PATCH 03/16] fuse2fs: always use directio disk reads with fuse2fs Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:11 ` [PATCH 04/16] fuse2fs: implement directio file reads Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:12 ` [PATCH 05/16] fuse2fs: use tagged block IO for zeroing sub-block regions Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:12 ` [PATCH 06/16] fuse2fs: only flush the cache for the file under directio read Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:12 ` [PATCH 07/16] fuse2fs: add extent dump function for debugging Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:12 ` [PATCH 08/16] fuse2fs: implement direct write support Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:13 ` [PATCH 09/16] fuse2fs: turn on iomap for pagecache IO Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:13 ` [PATCH 10/16] fuse2fs: flush and invalidate the buffer cache on trim Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:13 ` [PATCH 11/16] fuse2fs: improve tracing for fallocate Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:13 ` [PATCH 12/16] fuse2fs: don't zero bytes in punch hole Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:14 ` [PATCH 13/16] fuse2fs: don't do file data block IO when iomap is enabled Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:14 ` [PATCH 14/16] fuse2fs: disable most io channel flush/invalidate in iomap pagecache mode Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:14 ` [PATCH 15/16] fuse2fs: re-enable the block device pagecache for metadata IO Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 0:15 ` [PATCH 16/16] fuse2fs: avoid fuseblk mode if fuse-iomap support is likely Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-22 16:24 ` [RFC[RAP]] fuse: use fs-iomap for better performance so we can containerize ext4 Amir Goldstein
2025-05-29 16:45 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-29 19:41 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-06-09 22:31 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-10 10:59 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-06-10 19:00 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-10 19:51 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-06-11 6:00 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-11 8:54 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-06-12 5:54 ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-06-13 17:44 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-11 11:56 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-06-12 3:20 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-12 6:10 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-06-20 8:58 ` Allison Karlitskaya
2025-06-20 11:50 ` Bernd Schubert
2025-07-01 6:02 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-01 5:58 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-12 10:57 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-06-13 17:37 ` [RFC[RAP] V2] " Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-23 13:16 ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-07-01 6:05 ` Darrick J. Wong
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