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From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	 Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	 Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>, Shivank Garg <shivankg@amd.com>,
	david@redhat.com,  akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	paul@paul-moore.com, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	 willy@infradead.org, pbonzini@redhat.com, tabba@google.com,
	afranji@google.com,  ackerleytng@google.com, jack@suse.cz,
	cgzones@googlemail.com, ira.weiny@intel.com,
	 roypat@amazon.co.uk, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fs: export anon_inode_make_secure_inode() and fix secretmem LSM bypass
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2025 11:02:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250624-einwickeln-geflecht-f9cc9cc67d3c@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250623142836.GT1613200@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Mon, Jun 23, 2025 at 04:28:36PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2025 at 04:21:15PM +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> > On 6/23/25 16:01, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2025 at 07:00:39AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > >> On Mon, Jun 23, 2025 at 12:16:27PM +0200, Christian Brauner wrote:
> > >> > I'm more than happy to switch a bunch of our exports so that we only
> > >> > allow them for specific modules. But for that we also need
> > >> > EXPOR_SYMBOL_FOR_MODULES() so we can switch our non-gpl versions.
> > >> 
> > >> Huh?  Any export for a specific in-tree module (or set thereof) is
> > >> by definition internals and an _GPL export if perfectly fine and
> > >> expected.
> > 
> > Peterz tells me EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL_FOR_MODULES() is not limited to in-tree
> > modules, so external module with GPL and matching name can import.
> > 
> > But if we're targetting in-tree stuff like kvm, we don't need to provide a
> > non-GPL variant I think?
> 
> So the purpose was to limit specific symbols to known in-tree module
> users (hence GPL only).
> 
> Eg. KVM; x86 exports a fair amount of low level stuff just because KVM.
> Nobody else should be touching those symbols.
> 
> If you have a pile of symbols for !GPL / out-of-tree consumers, it
> doesn't really make sense to limit the export to a named set of modules,
> does it?
> 
> So yes, nothing limits things to in-tree modules per-se. The
> infrastructure only really cares about module names (and implicitly
> trusts the OS to not overwrite existing kernel modules etc.). So you
> could add an out-of-tree module name to the list (or have an out-of-free
> module have a name that matches a glob; "kvm-vmware" would match "kvm-*"
> for example).
> 
> But that is very much beyond the intention of things.

So I'm not well-versed in all the GPL vs non-GPL exports. I'm thinking
of cases like EXPORT_SYMBOL(fget_task_next); That's exposed to gfs2 (and
bpf but that's built-in). I see no reason to risk spreading the usage of
that special-thing to anywhere else. So I would use
EXPORT_*_FOR_MODULES(gfs2) for this and we'd notice if anything else is
trying to use that thing.

Another excellent candidate is:

  /*
   * synchronous analog of fput(); for kernel threads that might be needed
   * in some umount() (and thus can't use flush_delayed_fput() without
   * risking deadlocks), need to wait for completion of __fput() and know
   * for this specific struct file it won't involve anything that would
   * need them.  Use only if you really need it - at the very least,
   * don't blindly convert fput() by kernel thread to that.
   */
  void __fput_sync(struct file *file)
  {
          if (file_ref_put(&file->f_ref))
                  __fput(file);
  }
  EXPORT_SYMBOL(__fput_sync);

That thing worries me to no end because that can be used to wreak all
kinds of havoc and I want that thing tied down so no one can even look
at it without getting a compile time or runtime error that we can
immediately notice. So for that as well I want to allow-list modules
that we have explictly acknowledged to use it.

But iiuc I can't just switch that non-GPL exported symbol to a GPL
exported symbol. And I don't want to be involved in some kind of
ideological warfare around that stuff.

I care about not growing more users of __fput_sync(). So any advice is
appreciated.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-24  9:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-19  7:31 [PATCH] fs: export anon_inode_make_secure_inode() and fix secretmem LSM bypass Shivank Garg
2025-06-19  8:45 ` Christian Brauner
2025-06-19  9:13 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-19  9:53   ` Shivank Garg
2025-06-19 10:38   ` Christian Brauner
2025-06-19 11:01     ` Mike Rapoport
2025-06-19 12:06       ` Christian Brauner
2025-06-19 12:19         ` Mike Rapoport
2025-06-20 15:02           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-23  5:32             ` Shivank Garg
2025-06-23 10:16             ` Christian Brauner
2025-06-23 14:00               ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-23 14:01                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-23 14:21                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-23 14:22                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-23 14:28                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-24  9:02                       ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2025-06-25  9:05                         ` Christian Brauner
2025-06-25  9:18                           ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-25  8:02                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-25  8:09                         ` David Hildenbrand

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