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From: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
To: Andrey Albershteyn <aalbersh@redhat.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	fsverity@lists.linux.dev, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, david@fromorbit.com,
	ebiggers@kernel.org, Andrey Albershteyn <aalbersh@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 14/29] xfs: add attribute type for fs-verity
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 12:12:37 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250812191237.GO7965@frogsfrogsfrogs> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <radr4lpyokwvxdduurafrfu4l2uwisrbbggdt3m7afcutmezwv@tj334pmh4pgk>

On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 07:11:24PM +0200, Andrey Albershteyn wrote:
> On 2025-08-12 09:44:15, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 09:00:29PM +0200, Andrey Albershteyn wrote:
> > > Mostly because it was already implemented. But looking for benefits,
> > > attr can be inode LOCAL so a bit of saved space? Also, seems like a
> > > better interface than to look at a magic offset
> > 
> > Well, can you document the rationale somewhere?
> > 
> 
> We discussed this a bit with Darrick, and it probably makes more
> sense to have descriptor in data fork if fscrypt is added. As
> descriptor has root hash of the tree (and on small files this is
> just a file hash), and fscrypt expects merkle tree to be encrpyted
> as it's hash of plaintext data.

To cite my own sources, the last Q in the Q&A in
https://docs.kernel.org/filesystems/fsverity.html#faq

states that:

"ext4 and f2fs encryption doesn’t encrypt xattrs, yet the Merkle tree
must be encrypted when the file contents are, because it stores hashes
of the plaintext file contents."

So on the grounds that we're following the ext4/f2fs merkle tree layout
model to keep our options open for fscrypt later, I think we need the
verity descriptor to be in the posteof file data, not an xattr.

--D

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-12 19:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-28 20:30 [PATCH RFC 00/29] fs-verity support for XFS with post EOF merkle tree Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 01/29] iomap: add iomap_writepages_unbound() to write beyond EOF Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-29 22:07   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-31 15:04     ` Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-31 18:43   ` Joanne Koong
2025-08-04 11:34     ` Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 02/29] iomap: introduce iomap_read/write_region interface Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-29 22:22   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-31 15:51     ` Andrey Albershteyn
2025-08-11 11:43     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 03/29] fs: add FS_XFLAG_VERITY for verity files Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-29  9:53   ` Amir Goldstein
2025-07-29 10:35     ` Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-29 12:06       ` Amir Goldstein
2025-08-12  7:51   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 04/29] fsverity: add per-sb workqueue for post read processing Andrey Albershteyn
2025-08-11 11:45   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-11 17:51     ` Tejun Heo
2025-08-12  7:43       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-12 19:52         ` Tejun Heo
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 05/29] fsverity: add tracepoints Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 06/29] fsverity: report validation errors back to the filesystem Andrey Albershteyn
2025-08-11 11:46   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-11 15:31     ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-08-12  7:34       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-12  7:56         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 07/29] fsverity: pass super_block to fsverity_enqueue_verify_work Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 08/29] ext4: use a per-superblock fsverity workqueue Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 09/29] f2fs: " Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 10/29] btrfs: " Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 11/29] fsverity: remove system-wide workqueue Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 12/29] fsverity: expose merkle tree geometry to callers Andrey Albershteyn
2025-08-11 11:48   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-11 15:38     ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-08-11 19:06       ` Andrey Albershteyn
2025-08-12  7:42       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-12 19:09         ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 13/29] iomap: integrate fs-verity verification into iomap's read path Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-29 23:21   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-31 11:34     ` Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-31 14:52       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-31 15:01         ` Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-31 15:08           ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 14/29] xfs: add attribute type for fs-verity Andrey Albershteyn
2025-08-11 11:50   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-11 19:00     ` Andrey Albershteyn
2025-08-12  7:44       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-12 17:11         ` Andrey Albershteyn
2025-08-12 19:12           ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 15/29] xfs: add fs-verity ro-compat flag Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 16/29] xfs: add inode on-disk VERITY flag Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 17/29] xfs: initialize fs-verity on file open and cleanup on inode destruction Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 18/29] xfs: don't allow to enable DAX on fs-verity sealed inode Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 19/29] xfs: disable direct read path for fs-verity files Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 20/29] xfs: disable preallocations for fsverity Merkle tree writes Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-29 22:27   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-31 11:42     ` Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-31 14:49       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 21/29] xfs: add writeback and iomap reading of Merkel tree pages Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-29 22:33   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 22/29] xfs: add fs-verity support Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-29 23:05   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-31 14:50     ` Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-31 15:07       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 23/29] xfs: add fs-verity ioctls Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 24/29] xfs: advertise fs-verity being available on filesystem Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 25/29] xfs: check and repair the verity inode flag state Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 26/29] xfs: fix scrub trace with null pointer in quotacheck Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-29 15:28   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-31 14:54     ` Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-31 16:03       ` Carlos Maiolino
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 27/29] xfs: report verity failures through the health system Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 28/29] xfs: add fsverity traces Andrey Albershteyn
2025-07-29 23:06   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-28 20:30 ` [PATCH RFC 29/29] xfs: enable ro-compat fs-verity flag Andrey Albershteyn

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