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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "David Laight" <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Mathieu Desnoyers" <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Darren Hart" <dvhart@infradead.org>,
	"Davidlohr Bueso" <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	"André Almeida" <andrealmeid@igalia.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, "Christian Brauner" <brauner@kernel.org>,
	"Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 0/4] uaccess: Provide and use helpers for user masked access
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 01:39:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250819003908.GF222315@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whvSAi1+fr=YSXU=Ax204V1TP-1c_3Y3p2TjznxSo=_3Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 18, 2025 at 04:00:44PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> Now, I don't advocate 'goto' as a general programming model, but for
> exception handling it's superior to any alternative I know of.
> 
> Exceptions simply DO NOT NEST, and 'try-catch-finally' is an insane
> model for exceptions that has only made things worse both for
> compilers and for programmers.
> 
> So I do think using labels (without any crazy attempt nesting syntax)
> is objectively the superior model.
> 
> And the 'finally' mess is much better handled by compilers dealing
> with cleanup - again without any pointless artificial nesting
> structures.  I think most of our <linux/cleanup.h> models have been
> quite successful.

I'm still rather cautious about the uses related to locks - it's
very easy to overextend the area where lock is held (witness the
fs/namespace.c bugs of the "oops, that should've been scoped_guard(),
not guard()" variety - we had several this year) and "grab lock,
except it might fail" stuff appears to be all awful - when macro
is supposed to be used like
	scoped_cond_guard(lock_timer, return -EINVAL, _id)
(hidden in the bowels of another macro, no less)...

I'm still trying to come up with something edible for lock_mount() -
the best approximation I've got so far is

	CLASS(lock_mount, mp)(path);
	if (IS_ERR(mp.mp))
		bugger off
	...

with things like do_add_mount() avoiding the IS_ERR(...) part by
starting with if (IS_ERR(mp)) return PTR_ERR(mp);

With that we get e.g.
	CLASS(lock_mount, mp)(mountpoint);
	error = do_add_mount(real_mount(mnt), mp.mp, mountpoint, mnt_flags);
	if (!error)	// mnt is consumed by successful do_add_mount()
		retain_and_null_ptr(mnt);
	return error;

but it takes some massage to get there...

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-19  0:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-13 15:57 [patch 0/4] uaccess: Provide and use helpers for user masked access Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 15:57 ` [patch 1/4] uaccess: Provide common helpers for masked user access Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-26  7:04   ` Christophe Leroy
2025-09-13 18:01     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 15:57 ` [patch 2/4] futex: Convert to get/put_user_masked_u32() Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 15:57 ` [patch 3/4] x86/futex: Use user_*_masked_begin() Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-26  7:09   ` Christophe Leroy
2025-08-13 15:57 ` [patch 4/4] select: Use user_read_masked_begin() Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-17 13:49 ` [patch 0/4] uaccess: Provide and use helpers for user masked access David Laight
2025-08-17 14:00   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-08-17 15:29     ` David Laight
2025-08-17 15:36       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-08-18 11:59         ` David Laight
2025-08-18 21:21   ` David Laight
2025-08-18 21:36     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-08-18 22:21       ` Al Viro
2025-08-18 23:00         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-08-19  0:39           ` Al Viro [this message]
2025-08-20 23:48             ` Al Viro
2025-08-21  7:45               ` Christian Brauner
2025-08-21 22:49                 ` Al Viro
2025-08-19  2:39       ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-08-19 21:33       ` David Laight
2025-08-19  4:44     ` Thomas Weißschuh

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