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From: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Alexander Monakov <amonakov@ispras.ru>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: ETXTBSY window in __fput
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2025 07:52:47 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250827115247.GD1603531@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0a372029-9a31-54c3-4d8a-8a9597361955@ispras.ru>

On Wed, Aug 27, 2025 at 10:22:14AM +0300, Alexander Monakov wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2025, Al Viro wrote:
> 
> > Egads...  Let me get it straight - you have a bunch of threads sharing descriptor
> > tables and some of them are forking (or cloning without shared descriptor tables)
> > while that is going on?
> 
> I suppose if they could start a new process in a more straightforward manner,
> they would. But you cannot start a new process without fork. Anyway, I'm but
> a messenger here: the problem has been hit by various people in the Go community
> (and by Go team itself, at least twice). Here I'm asking about a potential
> shortcoming in __fput that exacerbates the problem.

I'm assuming that the problem is showing up in real life when users
run a go problem using "go run" where the golang compiler freshly
writes the executable, and then fork/exec's the binary.  And using
multiple threads sharing descriptor tables was just to make a reliable
reproducer?

						- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-27 11:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-26 21:05 ETXTBSY window in __fput Alexander Monakov
2025-08-26 22:00 ` Al Viro
2025-08-27  7:22   ` Alexander Monakov
2025-08-27 11:52     ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2025-08-27 13:05       ` Alexander Monakov
2025-08-31 19:22         ` David Laight
2025-09-01  8:44           ` Jan Kara
2025-08-27 13:16     ` Aleksa Sarai
2025-08-27 14:29       ` Alexander Monakov
2025-08-29  7:21 ` Alexander Monakov
2025-08-29  9:47   ` Christian Brauner
2025-08-29 10:17     ` Alexander Monakov
2025-08-29 11:07       ` Christian Brauner
2025-08-29 11:45         ` Alexander Monakov
2025-08-29 14:02           ` Jan Kara
2025-09-01 17:53             ` Alexander Monakov
2025-09-02 10:36               ` Jan Kara
2025-08-29 18:32 ` Colin Walters
2025-09-01 18:39 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-09-01 19:57   ` Colin Walters
2025-09-01 20:22     ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-09-02  8:33   ` Christian Brauner
2025-09-02  8:44     ` Mateusz Guzik

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