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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [RFC] a possible way of reducing the PITA of ->d_name audits
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2025 06:19:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250908051951.GI31600@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <175730701033.2850467.1822935583045267017@noble.neil.brown.name>

On Mon, Sep 08, 2025 at 02:50:10PM +1000, NeilBrown wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Sep 2025, Al Viro wrote:
> > That way xfs hits will be down to that claim_stability() and the obscenity in
> > trace.h - until the users of the latter get wrapped into something that would
> > take snapshots and pass those instead of messing with ->d_name.  Considering
> > the fun quoted above, not having to repeat that digging is something I'd
> > count as a win...
> > 
> 
> What would you think of providing an accessor function and insisting
> everyone use it - and have some sort of lockdep_assert_held() to that
> function so that developers who test their code will see these problem?
> 
> Then a simple grep can find any unapproved uses.

Really?  Consider ->link().  Both arguments *are* stable, but the reasons
are not just different - they don't even intersect.

Old: known to be a regular file, held locked.  The former guarantees that
it can't be moved by d_splice_alias(), the latter prevents that being done
by vfs_rename(), which also locks the objects being moved.

New: has been looked up after its parent had been locked.  Note that _after_
is important here - you can't just blindly fetch ->d_parent and check if
its inode is locked (not to mention anything else, you'd need to check it
being non-NULL, do it under rcu_read_lock(), et sodding cetera - ->d_parent
stability rules are not that different from ->d_name ones).

And this "everyone use it" is not going to fly - you still have places where
it's done simply under ->d_lock.  Or ->d_lock on known parent - either would
suffice.

Besides, there's "which primitive do I use here?" - with the annotation approach
it's as simple as "if I have it as stable_dentry, just use stable_dentry_name(),
otherwise think hard - it may be tricky".

I don't believe that lockdep is an answer here - annotations (and these *are*
annotations - no code generation changes at all) give better coverage, and
bitrot tends to happen in rarely taken failure exits.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-08  5:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-07 20:32 [RFC] a possible way of reducing the PITA of ->d_name audits Al Viro
2025-09-07 21:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-08  0:06   ` Al Viro
2025-09-08  0:47     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-08  2:51       ` Al Viro
2025-09-08  3:57         ` Al Viro
2025-09-08  4:50           ` NeilBrown
2025-09-08  5:19             ` Al Viro [this message]
2025-09-08  6:25               ` NeilBrown
2025-09-08  9:05                 ` Al Viro
2025-09-10  2:45                   ` NeilBrown
2025-09-10  7:24                     ` Al Viro
2025-09-10 22:52                       ` NeilBrown
2025-09-12  5:49                       ` ->atomic_open() fun (was Re: [RFC] a possible way of reducing the PITA of ->d_name audits) Al Viro
2025-09-12  8:23                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-09-12 18:29                           ` Al Viro
2025-09-12 19:22                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-09-12 20:36                               ` Al Viro
2025-09-12 20:50                                 ` Al Viro
2025-09-13  3:36                             ` NeilBrown
2025-09-13  5:07                               ` Al Viro
2025-09-13  5:50                                 ` NeilBrown
2025-09-14 19:01                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-09-14 19:50                                   ` Al Viro
2025-09-14 20:05                                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-09-15  8:54                                       ` Bernd Schubert
2025-09-12 18:55                         ` Al Viro
2025-09-12 18:59                           ` [PATCH 1/9] allow finish_no_open(file, ERR_PTR(-E...)) Al Viro
2025-09-12 18:59                             ` [PATCH 2/9] 9p: simplify v9fs_vfs_atomic_open() Al Viro
2025-09-12 18:59                             ` [PATCH 3/9] 9p: simplify v9fs_vfs_atomic_open_dotl() Al Viro
2025-09-12 18:59                             ` [PATCH 4/9] simplify cifs_atomic_open() Al Viro
2025-09-12 18:59                             ` [PATCH 5/9] simplify vboxsf_dir_atomic_open() Al Viro
2025-09-12 18:59                             ` [PATCH 6/9] simplify nfs_atomic_open_v23() Al Viro
2025-09-12 18:59                             ` [PATCH 7/9] simplify fuse_atomic_open() Al Viro
2025-09-12 18:59                             ` [PATCH 8/9] simplify gfs2_atomic_open() Al Viro
2025-09-12 18:59                             ` [PATCH 9/9] slightly simplify nfs_atomic_open() Al Viro
2025-09-12 22:23                             ` [PATCH 1/9] allow finish_no_open(file, ERR_PTR(-E...)) Linus Torvalds
2025-09-13  3:34                             ` NeilBrown
2025-09-13 21:28                   ` [RFC] a possible way of reducing the PITA of ->d_name audits Al Viro
2025-09-14  1:05                     ` NeilBrown
2025-09-14  1:37                       ` Al Viro
2025-09-14  5:56                         ` Al Viro
2025-09-14 23:07                           ` NeilBrown

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