From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from verein.lst.de (verein.lst.de [213.95.11.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A98222F5463; Thu, 13 Nov 2025 05:58:04 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=213.95.11.211 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1763013488; cv=none; b=V1I3pk7UMmTxyWy3C6r0xC3emrhd0hVc7PlGlAM9wnxk5i4u1YVBRPhsWMG9PaFlOzfTzjByqgk4s+koWwvdXPCUJm97GxF9HLLDUc4bEuBJAIIooF6HwFX0KBjXTA/dEJmPP8RC6as9+ty1tm5Sntl2HR5+/TYO49bF8j8QxQY= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1763013488; c=relaxed/simple; bh=JKWBAyeIxHlTSXPkW7ON9aStxpB/OdKegHS47MxZbSs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=ETlh0drEWGgSDN5XN0sr+jjYodY5B4/pWjWBlkoNs9e6Q79r18VdJjOc2jxwF4PX24iywsuyUJrCuQ3MVYUfn1lwXkhKMGXy5EkqTBE/kR3/+6fxDeuumlLoGkGIfO+2fYX+ir0b7t3CIvBxECaMCyqbN1OSot+Rpl9hV1XRViw= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=lst.de; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lst.de; arc=none smtp.client-ip=213.95.11.211 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=lst.de Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lst.de Received: by verein.lst.de (Postfix, from userid 2407) id BAF406732A; Thu, 13 Nov 2025 06:57:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2025 06:57:58 +0100 From: Christoph Hellwig To: Ritesh Harjani Cc: Christoph Hellwig , Dave Chinner , Ojaswin Mujoo , Christian Brauner , djwong@kernel.org, john.g.garry@oracle.com, tytso@mit.edu, willy@infradead.org, dchinner@redhat.com, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, jack@suse.cz, nilay@linux.ibm.com, martin.petersen@oracle.com, rostedt@goodmis.org, axboe@kernel.dk, linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/8] xfs: single block atomic writes for buffered IO Message-ID: <20251113055758.GA29014@lst.de> References: <20251113052337.GA28533@lst.de> <87frai8p46.ritesh.list@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <87frai8p46.ritesh.list@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) On Thu, Nov 13, 2025 at 11:12:49AM +0530, Ritesh Harjani wrote: > For e.g. https://lwn.net/Articles/974578/ goes in depth and talks about > Postgres folks looking for this, since PostgreSQL databases uses > buffered I/O for their database writes. Honestly, a database stubbornly using the wrong I/O path should not be a reaѕon for adding this complexity.