From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL 05/17 for v6.19] namespaces
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2025 11:07:37 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251203-aussaat-anreden-1df55ee85463@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whPpVs67fAYWo4=SeD20cxjYoAE3d5RXgeHpXZ81uM7Lg@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Dec 02, 2025 at 09:00:57AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 at 11:06, Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
> >
> > The reason such as system call has not been introduced in the past
> > is because it introduces the namespace of namespace problem.
> >
> > How have you solved the namespace of namespaces problem?
>
> So I think Christian would be better at answering this, but to a first
> approximation I think the explanation from commit 76b6f5dfb3fd
> ("nstree: add listns()") gives some high-level rules:
After last year's round I've caught another lung infection so I'm a bit
incapacitated and not working. Visibility is currently based on the user
namespace. It's possible to list all namespaces that are owned by a
given user namespaces. So a caller in an unprivileged container is only
able to list namespaces that they directly own or namespaces owned by
descendant namespaces. That's tracked in the namespace tree. The
self-tests verify this as well. So it is not possible to break out of
that hierarchy. As this is expressily an introspection system call it
allows to list sibling namespaces owned by the same user namespace ofc
as its tailored for container managers. This will be used in
high-privileged container managers and in systemd for service
supervision so if there's any concerns that the current standard access
regulation and seccomp() isn't enough I'm more than happy to require
global CAP_SYS_ADMIN.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-12-03 10:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-28 16:48 [GIT PULL 00/17 for v6.19] v6.19 Christian Brauner
2025-11-28 16:48 ` [GIT PULL 01/17 for v6.19] vfs iomap Christian Brauner
2025-12-01 22:08 ` pr-tracker-bot
2025-11-28 16:48 ` [GIT PULL 02/17 for v6.19] vfs misc Christian Brauner
2025-12-01 22:08 ` pr-tracker-bot
2025-11-28 16:48 ` [GIT PULL 03/17 for v6.19] vfs inode Christian Brauner
2025-12-01 22:08 ` pr-tracker-bot
2025-11-28 16:48 ` [GIT PULL 04/17 for v6.19] vfs writeback Christian Brauner
2025-12-01 22:08 ` pr-tracker-bot
2025-11-28 16:48 ` [GIT PULL 05/17 for v6.19] namespaces Christian Brauner
2025-12-01 19:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-12-02 17:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-12-03 10:07 ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2025-12-01 22:08 ` pr-tracker-bot
2025-11-28 16:48 ` [GIT PULL 06/17 for v6.19] vfs coredump Christian Brauner
2025-12-01 22:08 ` pr-tracker-bot
2025-11-28 16:48 ` [GIT PULL 07/17 for v6.19] vfs folio Christian Brauner
2025-12-01 22:08 ` pr-tracker-bot
2025-11-28 16:48 ` [GIT PULL 08/17 for v6.19] cred guards Christian Brauner
2025-12-01 21:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-12-02 1:26 ` Sasha Levin
2025-12-02 1:36 ` [PATCH] nfs/localio: make do_nfs_local_call_write() return void Sasha Levin
2025-12-01 22:08 ` [GIT PULL 08/17 for v6.19] cred guards pr-tracker-bot
2025-11-28 16:48 ` [GIT PULL 09/17 for v6.19] vfs headers Christian Brauner
2025-12-01 23:22 ` pr-tracker-bot
2025-11-28 16:48 ` [GIT PULL 10/17 for v6.19] vfs super guards Christian Brauner
2025-12-01 23:22 ` pr-tracker-bot
2025-11-28 16:48 ` [GIT PULL 11/17 for v6.19] minix Christian Brauner
2025-12-01 23:22 ` pr-tracker-bot
2025-11-28 16:48 ` [GIT PULL 12/17 for v6.19] vfs directory delegations Christian Brauner
2025-12-02 3:19 ` pr-tracker-bot
2025-11-28 16:48 ` [GIT PULL 13/17 for v6.19] vfs directory locking Christian Brauner
2025-12-02 3:19 ` pr-tracker-bot
2025-11-28 16:48 ` [GIT PULL 14/17 for v6.19] overlayfs cred guards Christian Brauner
2025-12-02 3:19 ` pr-tracker-bot
2025-11-28 16:48 ` [GIT PULL 15/17 for v6.19] autofs Christian Brauner
2025-12-02 3:19 ` pr-tracker-bot
2025-11-28 16:48 ` [GIT PULL 16/17 for v6.19] vfs fd prepare Christian Brauner
2025-12-01 14:15 ` Al Viro
2025-12-01 18:41 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-11-28 16:48 ` [GIT PULL 17/17 for v6.19] vfs fd prepare minimal Christian Brauner
2025-12-02 1:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-12-02 9:42 ` Christian Brauner
2025-12-02 3:19 ` pr-tracker-bot
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