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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Max Kellermann <max.kellermann@ionos.com>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 20/21] __dentry_kill(): new locking scheme
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2026 21:55:50 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260121215550.GD3183987@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKPOu+9=AV-NxJYXjwiUL4iXPH=oUSF25+6t25M8ujfj2OvHVQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 08, 2025 at 06:45:14AM +0200, Max Kellermann wrote:

> I believe the busy-wait was accidental.
> I've been trying to make you aware that this is effectively a
> busy-wait, one that can take a long time burning CPU cycles, but I
> have a feeling I can't reach you.
> 
> Al, please confirm that it was your intention to busy-wait until dying
> dentries disappear!

It's not so much an intention as having nothing good to wait on.

Theoretically, there's a way to deal with that - dentry in the middle
of stuck iput() from dentry_unlink_inode() from __dentry_kill() is
guaranteed to be
	* negative
	* unhashed
	* not in-lookup

What we could do is adding an hlist_head aliased with ->d_alias, ->d_rcu
and ->d_in_lookup_hash.  Then select_collect2() running into a dentry
with negative refcount would set _that_ as victim and bugger off, same
as we do for ones on shrink lists.

shrink_dcache_parent() would do this:
                if (data.victim) {
			struct dentry *v = data.victim;

			spin_lock(&v->d_lock);
			if (v->d_lockref.count < 0 &&
			    !(v->d_flags & DCACHE_DENTRY_KILLED)) {
				init_completion(&data.completion);
				hlist_add_head(&data.node, &v->d_new_field);
				spin_unlock(&v->d_lock);
				rcu_read_unlock();
				wait_for_completion(&data.completion);
			} else if (!lock_for_kill(data.victim)) {  
				spin_unlock(&data.victim->d_lock);
				rcu_read_unlock();
			} else {
				shrink_kill(data.victim); 
		}

and dentry_unlist() -
        dentry->d_flags |= DCACHE_DENTRY_KILLED;
	while (unlikely(dentry->d_new_field.first)) {
		struct select_data *p;

		p = hlist_entry(dentry->d_new_field.first,
				struct select_data,
				node);
		hlist_del_init(&p->node);
		complete(&p->complete);
	}
	...

AFAICS, that ought to be safe and would guaratee progress on each
iteration in shrink_dcache_parent() (note that finding negative
refcount and seeing that it had already been past dentry_unlist()
would mean falling through to lock_for_kill() and instantly
failing there; in any case, that dentry definitely won't be
found on any subsequent d_walk(), so we still get progress there).

Comments?

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-21 21:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-24  6:02 [RFC][PATCHSET v3] simplifying fast_dput(), dentry_kill() et.al Al Viro
2023-11-24  6:04 ` [PATCH v3 01/21] switch nfsd_client_rmdir() to use of simple_recursive_removal() Al Viro
2023-11-24  6:04   ` [PATCH v3 02/21] coda_flag_children(): cope with dentries turning negative Al Viro
2023-11-24 21:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-24 22:58       ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-11-24  6:04   ` [PATCH v3 03/21] dentry: switch the lists of children to hlist Al Viro
2023-11-24  7:44     ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-24  7:55       ` Al Viro
2023-11-24  8:02         ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-24  6:04   ` [PATCH v3 04/21] centralize killing dentry from shrink list Al Viro
2023-11-24  6:04   ` [PATCH v3 05/21] shrink_dentry_list(): no need to check that dentry refcount is marked dead Al Viro
2023-11-24  6:04   ` [PATCH v3 06/21] fast_dput(): having ->d_delete() is not reason to delay refcount decrement Al Viro
2023-11-24  6:04   ` [PATCH v3 07/21] fast_dput(): handle underflows gracefully Al Viro
2023-11-24  6:04   ` [PATCH v3 08/21] fast_dput(): new rules for refcount Al Viro
2023-11-24  6:04   ` [PATCH v3 09/21] __dput_to_list(): do decrement of refcount in the callers Al Viro
2023-11-24  6:04   ` [PATCH v3 10/21] make retain_dentry() neutral with respect to refcounting Al Viro
2023-11-24  6:04   ` [PATCH v3 11/21] __dentry_kill(): get consistent rules for victim's refcount Al Viro
2023-11-24  6:04   ` [PATCH v3 12/21] dentry_kill(): don't bother with retain_dentry() on slow path Al Viro
2023-11-24  6:04   ` [PATCH v3 13/21] Call retain_dentry() with refcount 0 Al Viro
2023-11-24  6:04   ` [PATCH v3 14/21] fold the call of retain_dentry() into fast_dput() Al Viro
2023-11-24  6:04   ` [PATCH v3 15/21] don't try to cut corners in shrink_lock_dentry() Al Viro
2023-11-24  6:04   ` [PATCH v3 16/21] fold dentry_kill() into dput() Al Viro
2023-11-24  6:04   ` [PATCH v3 17/21] to_shrink_list(): call only if refcount is 0 Al Viro
2023-11-24  6:04   ` [PATCH v3 18/21] switch select_collect{,2}() to use of to_shrink_list() Al Viro
2023-11-24  6:04   ` [PATCH v3 19/21] d_prune_aliases(): use a shrink list Al Viro
2023-11-24  6:04   ` [PATCH v3 20/21] __dentry_kill(): new locking scheme Al Viro
2025-07-07 17:20     ` Max Kellermann
2025-07-07 17:29       ` Al Viro
2025-07-07 17:43         ` Max Kellermann
2025-07-07 18:00           ` Al Viro
2025-07-07 18:11             ` Max Kellermann
2025-07-07 19:31               ` Al Viro
2025-07-07 20:00                 ` Max Kellermann
2025-07-07 20:31                   ` Al Viro
2025-07-07 20:39                     ` Max Kellermann
2025-07-07 20:49                       ` Al Viro
2025-07-07 20:52                         ` Max Kellermann
2025-07-07 20:59                           ` Al Viro
2025-07-07 21:06                             ` Max Kellermann
2025-07-07 21:32                               ` Al Viro
2025-07-07 21:47                                 ` Max Kellermann
2025-07-07 22:19                                   ` Al Viro
2025-07-07 22:37                                     ` Al Viro
2025-07-08  4:45                                       ` Max Kellermann
2026-01-21 21:55                                         ` Al Viro [this message]
2026-01-22  6:24                                           ` Al Viro
2025-07-07 22:26       ` Al Viro
2023-11-24  6:04   ` [PATCH v3 21/21] retain_dentry(): introduce a trimmed-down lockless variant Al Viro
2023-11-24 21:28 ` [RFC][PATCHSET v3] simplifying fast_dput(), dentry_kill() et.al Linus Torvalds

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