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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>
Cc: Benjamin Coddington <bcodding@hammerspace.com>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>, NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>,
	Trond Myklebust <trondmy@kernel.org>,
	Anna Schumaker <anna@kernel.org>,
	Rick Macklem <rick.macklem@gmail.com>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 3/3] NFSD: Sign filehandles
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2026 21:04:20 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260209210420.GA1062842@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8574c412-31fb-4810-a675-edf72240ae29@oracle.com>

On Mon, Feb 09, 2026 at 03:29:07PM -0500, Chuck Lever wrote:
> On 2/9/26 1:09 PM, Benjamin Coddington wrote:
> > NFS clients may bypass restrictive directory permissions by using
> > open_by_handle() (or other available OS system call) to guess the
> > filehandles for files below that directory.
> > 
> > In order to harden knfsd servers against this attack, create a method to
> > sign and verify filehandles using siphash as a MAC (Message Authentication
> > Code).  Filehandles that have been signed cannot be tampered with, nor can
> > clients reasonably guess correct filehandles and hashes that may exist in
> > parts of the filesystem they cannot access due to directory permissions.
> 
> It's been pointed out to me that siphash is a PRF designed for hash
> tables, not a standard MAC. We suggested siphash as it may be sufficient
> here for preventing 8-byte tag guessing, but the commit message and
> documentation calls it a "MAC" which is a misnomer. Can the commit
> message (or even the new .rst file) document why siphash is adequate for
> this threat model?
> 
> Perhaps Eric has some thoughts on this.

PRFs are also MACs, though.  So SipHash is also a MAC.  See the original
paper: https://cr.yp.to/siphash/siphash-20120918.pdf

However, SipHash's tag size is only 64 bits, which limits its resistance
to forgeries.  There will always be at least a 1 in 2^64 chance of a
forgery.

In addition, the specific variant of SipHash implemented by the kernel's
siphash library is SipHash-2-4.  That's the performance-optimized
variant.  While no attack is known on that variant, and the SipHash
paper claims that even this variant is a cryptographically strong PRF
and thus also a MAC, SipHash-4-8 is the more conservative variant.

If you'd like to be more conservative with the cryptographic primitive
and also bring the forgery chance down to 1 in 1^128, HMAC-SHA256 or
BLAKE2s with 128-bit tags could be a good choice.

(In commit 2f3dd6ec901f29aef5fff3d7a63b1371d67c1760, I used HMAC-SHA256
with 256-bit tags for SCTP cookies.  Probably overkill, but the struct
already had 256 bits reserved for the tag.)

But again, SipHash (even SipHash-2-4) is indeed considered to be a MAC.
So if the only concern is that it's "a PRF but not a MAC", that's not
correct.

- Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-09 21:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-09 18:09 [PATCH v5 0/3] kNFSD Signed Filehandles Benjamin Coddington
2026-02-09 18:09 ` [PATCH v5 1/3] NFSD: Add a key for signing filehandles Benjamin Coddington
2026-02-09 20:29   ` Chuck Lever
2026-02-10 16:46     ` Benjamin Coddington
2026-02-10 17:03       ` Chuck Lever
2026-02-10 17:21         ` Benjamin Coddington
2026-02-10 20:59           ` Benjamin Coddington
2026-02-09 18:09 ` [PATCH v5 2/3] NFSD/export: Add sign_fh export option Benjamin Coddington
2026-02-09 18:09 ` [PATCH v5 3/3] NFSD: Sign filehandles Benjamin Coddington
2026-02-09 20:29   ` Chuck Lever
2026-02-09 21:04     ` Eric Biggers [this message]
2026-02-09 23:17       ` Chuck Lever
2026-02-10 16:56     ` Benjamin Coddington
2026-02-10 17:10       ` Chuck Lever

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