From: "Theodore Tso" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v3 2/4] pidfd: add CLONE_PIDFD_AUTOKILL
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2026 09:00:10 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260218140010.GC45984@macsyma-wired.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260218-wonach-kampieren-adfca0940b45@brauner>
On Wed, Feb 18, 2026 at 09:18:49AM +0100, Christian Brauner wrote:
> The kill-on-close contract cannot be flaunted no matter what gets
> executed very much in contrast to pdeath_signal which is annoying
> because it magically gets unset and then userspace needs to know when it
> got unset and then needs to reset it again.
I think you mean "violated", not "flaunted", above.
If a process can do the double-fork dance to avoid getting killed, is
that a problem with your use case?
What if we give the process time to exit before we bring down the
hammer, as I suggested in another message on this thread?
> My ideal model for kill-on-close is to just ruthlessly enforce that the
> kernel murders anything once the file is released. I would value input
> under what circumstances we could make this work without having the
> kernel magically unset it under magical circumstances that are
> completely opaque to userspace.
I don't think this proposal would fly, but what if an exec of a setuid
binary fails with an error if the AUTOKILL flag is set? :-)
- Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-02-18 14:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-17 22:35 [PATCH RFC v3 0/4] pidfd: add CLONE_AUTOREAP and CLONE_PIDFD_AUTOKILL Christian Brauner
2026-02-17 22:35 ` [PATCH RFC v3 1/4] clone: add CLONE_AUTOREAP Christian Brauner
2026-02-18 11:25 ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-02-18 13:30 ` Christian Brauner
2026-02-17 22:35 ` [PATCH RFC v3 2/4] pidfd: add CLONE_PIDFD_AUTOKILL Christian Brauner
2026-02-17 23:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-02-17 23:38 ` Jann Horn
2026-02-17 23:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-02-18 8:18 ` Christian Brauner
2026-02-18 14:00 ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2026-02-18 13:29 ` Theodore Tso
2026-02-18 10:21 ` Christian Brauner
2026-02-17 23:43 ` Jann Horn
2026-02-18 10:00 ` Christian Brauner
2026-02-18 11:50 ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-02-18 13:31 ` Christian Brauner
2026-02-17 22:35 ` [PATCH RFC v3 3/4] selftests/pidfd: add CLONE_AUTOREAP tests Christian Brauner
2026-02-17 22:35 ` [PATCH RFC v3 4/4] selftests/pidfd: add CLONE_PIDFD_AUTOKILL tests Christian Brauner
2026-02-17 22:46 ` [PATCH RFC v3 0/4] pidfd: add CLONE_AUTOREAP and CLONE_PIDFD_AUTOKILL Christian Brauner
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