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From: David Disseldorp <ddiss@suse.de>
To: Askar Safin <safinaskar@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org,
	initramfs@vger.kernel.org, Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>,
	Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>,
	Nicolas Schier <nsc@kernel.org>,
	patches@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] init: ensure that /dev/console is (nearly) always available in initramfs
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2026 10:59:13 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260220105913.4b62e124.ddiss@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260219210312.3468980-2-safinaskar@gmail.com>

On Thu, 19 Feb 2026 21:03:11 +0000, Askar Safin wrote:

> If we generate external initramfs as normal user using "cpio"
> command, then we cannot put /dev/console there.
> 
> Fortunately, in this case default builtin initramfs will
> contain /dev/console (before this commit).
> 
> But if we generate builtin initramfs instead, then we will
> not have /dev/console at all. Thus the kernel will be unable to
> open /dev/console, and PID 1 will have stdin, stdout and stderr
> closed.
> 
> This problem can be solved by using gen_init_cpio.
> 
> But I think that proper solution is to ensure that /dev/console
> is always available, no matter what. This is quality-of-implementation
> feature. This will reduce number of possible failure modes. And
> this will make easier for developers to get early boot right.
> (Early boot issues are very hard to debug.)

I'd prefer not to go down this path:
- I think it's reasonable to expect that users who override the default
  internal initramfs know what they're doing WRT /dev/console creation.
- initramfs can be made up of concatenated cpio archives, so tools which
  insist on using GNU cpio and run into mknod EPERM issues could append
  the nodes via gen_init_cpio, while continuing to use GNU cpio for
  everything else.

Thanks, David

  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-19 23:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-19 21:03 [PATCH 0/2] init: ensure that /dev/console and /dev/null are (nearly) always available in initramfs Askar Safin
2026-02-19 21:03 ` [PATCH 1/2] init: ensure that /dev/console is " Askar Safin
2026-02-19 23:59   ` David Disseldorp [this message]
2026-02-20 19:11     ` Askar Safin
2026-02-23  1:19       ` David Disseldorp
2026-02-23 21:41         ` Askar Safin
2026-02-23  1:27     ` Rob Landley
2026-02-23  2:33       ` David Disseldorp
2026-02-23 16:11         ` Rob Landley
2026-02-23 17:34           ` Askar Safin
2026-02-23 19:45             ` Rob Landley
2026-02-23 23:04       ` Askar Safin
2026-02-19 21:03 ` [PATCH 2/2] init: ensure that /dev/null " Askar Safin
2026-02-20  0:26   ` David Disseldorp
2026-02-21  0:16     ` Askar Safin
2026-02-23  1:15   ` Rob Landley
2026-02-23 21:18     ` Askar Safin
2026-02-23  0:17 ` [PATCH 0/2] init: ensure that /dev/console and /dev/null are " Rob Landley
2026-02-23 20:58   ` Askar Safin
2026-02-24 19:02     ` Rob Landley
2026-03-07  3:22       ` Askar Safin
2026-03-10 12:51         ` Rob Landley
2026-03-23  3:47           ` Askar Safin

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