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From: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>
To: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: "Günther Noack" <gnoack@google.com>,
	"Paul Moore" <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	"John Johansen" <john.johansen@canonical.com>,
	"Georgia Garcia" <georgia.garcia@canonical.com>,
	"Kentaro Takeda" <takedakn@nttdata.co.jp>,
	"Tetsuo Handa" <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Alejandro Colomar" <alx@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: LSM: Whiteout chardev creation sidesteps mknod hook
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2026 14:24:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260408.jae8Cohse9Pe@digikod.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260408.beu1Eing5aFo@digikod.net>

CCing fsdevel and Alejandro.

On Wed, Apr 08, 2026 at 01:01:31PM +0200, Mickaël Salaün wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 07, 2026 at 03:05:13PM +0200, Günther Noack wrote:
> > Hello Christian, Paul, Mickaël and LSM maintainers!
> > 
> > I discovered the following bug in Landlock, which potentially also
> > affects other LSMs:
> > 
> > With renameat2(2)'s RENAME_WHITEOUT flag, it is possible to create a
> > "whiteout object" at the source of the rename.  Whiteout objects are
> > character devices with major/minor (0, 0) -- these devices are not
> > bound to any driver, so they are harmless, but still, the creation of
> > these files can sidestep the LANDLOCK_ACCESS_FS_MAKE_CHAR access right
> > in Landlock.
> 
> Any way to "write" on the filesystem should properly be controlled.  The
> man page says that RENAME_WHITEOUT requires CAP_MKNOD, however, looking
> at vfs_mknod(), there is an explicit exception to not check CAP_MKNOD
> for whiteout devices. See commit a3c751a50fe6 ("vfs: allow unprivileged
> whiteout creation").
> 
> > 
> > 
> > I am unconvinced which is the right fix here -- do you have an opinion
> > on this from the VFS/LSM side?
> > 
> > 
> > Option 1: Make filesystems call security_path_mknod() during RENAME_WHITEOUT?
> 
> This is the right semantic.
> 
> > 
> > Do it in the VFS rename hook.
> > 
> > * Pro: Fixes it for all LSMs
> > * Con: Call would have to be done in multiple filesystems
> 
> That would not work.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Option 2: Handle it in security_{path,inode}_rename()
> > 
> > Make Landlock handle it in security_inode_rename() by looking for the
> > RENAME_WHITEOUT flag.
> > 
> > * Con: Operation should only be denied if the file system even
> >   implements RENAME_WHITEOUT, and we would have to maintain a list of
> >   affected filesystems for that.  (That feels like solving it at the
> >   wrong layer of abstraction.)
> 
> Why would we need to maintain such list?  If it's only about the errno,
> well, that would not be perfect be ok with a proper doc.
> 
> I'm mostly worried that there might be other (future) call paths to
> create whiteout devices.
> 
> I think option 2 would be the most practical approach for Landlock, with
> a new LANDLOCK_ACCESS_FS_MAKE_WHITEOUT right.
> 
> I'm also wondering how are the chances that other kind of special file
> type like a whiteout device could come up in the future.  Any guess
> Christian?
> 
> > * Con: Unclear whether other LSMs need a similar fix
> 
> I guess at least AppArmor and Tomoyo would consider that an issue.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Option 3: Declare that this is working as intended?
> 
> We need to be able to controle any file creation, which is not currently
> the case because of this whiteout exception.
> 
> > 
> > * Pro: (0, 0) is not a "real" character device
> > 
> > 
> > In cases 1 and 2, we'd likely need to double check that we are not
> > breaking existing scenarios involving OverlayFS, by suddenly requiring
> > a more lax policy for creating character devices on these directories.
> > 
> > Please let me know what you think.  I'm specifically interested in:
> > 
> > 1. Christian: What is the appropriate way to do this VFS wise?
> > 2. LSM maintainers: Is this a bug that affects other LSMs as well?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > —Günther
> > 
> > P.S.: For full transparency, I found this bug by pointing Google
> > Gemini at the Landlock codebase.
> > 

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