From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Nikolay Borisov <nik.borisov@suse.com>,
Max Kellermann <max.kellermann@ionos.com>,
Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>,
Paulo Alcantara <pc@manguebit.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 0/4] getting rid of busy-wait in shrink_dcache_parent()
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2026 20:02:13 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260409190213.GQ3836593@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53b4795292d1df2fe1569fc724325ab52fcab322.camel@kernel.org>
On Thu, Apr 09, 2026 at 12:51:38PM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
> I can also confirm that this fixes the livelock we were seeing as a
> precursor to this UAF [1]. I'm still not 100% sure how that livelock
> leads to a UAF. Claude thinks is has to do with the livelock making the
> loop outlive an RCU grace period.
Claude is full of substance likely to cause CoC complaints when mentioned,
film at 11. I agree with the "livelock opens up some window" part,
what with the stack traces there, but I very much doubt that mechanism
has anything to do with the stuff on a shrink list staying around from
one iteration to another. The thing is, *nothing* is held between the
iterations of loop in there; data.dispose is empty at the end of the loop
body in all cases and reference in data.victim is not retained either
across the iterations either. We do have a weird RCU use pattern there,
all right (unbalanced acquire in select_collect2() paired with drop in
the caller of caller of select_collect2()), but the scope is neither
long nor extended by the livelock - in that case the function between
shrink_dentry_tree() and select_collect2() (d_walk()) is told to drop
the locks and return to its caller immediately.
What I suspect might be getting opened up is the possibility
of d_invalidate() (e.g. from pathname resolution trying
to walk into /proc/<pid>/...) hitting in the middle of
proc_invalidate_siblings_dcache().
Incidentally, one thing to check would be whether anything on affected
boxen had things mounted under /proc/<pid>/... - that would give
some idea whether detach_mounts() (and namespace_unlock() with its
handling of the list of mountpoints) might be needed in the mix.
> I did eventually find a vmcore and was able to confirm some things:
>
> - in the freed/reallocated dentry, most of the fields are clobbered,
> but the d_lru list pointers seemed to be intact. That tells me that the
> sucker was added to the shrink list after being freed and reallocated.
> That means that the WARN_ON_ONCE() wouldn't have caught this anyway.
>
> - there was some list corruption too: it looked like there were two
> different (on-stack) list heads in the list. There were also some
> dentries in there that were outside the shrin
?
> Note that this was an older (v6.13-based) kernel though, and it's
> possible there are other unfixed bugs in here.
>
> I'm currently trying to reproduce the UAF using that mdelay() based
> fault injection patch on something closer to mainline.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-04-09 18:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-22 20:20 [PATCH][RFC] get rid of busy-wait in shrink_dcache_tree() Al Viro
2026-01-23 0:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-01-23 0:36 ` Al Viro
2026-01-24 4:36 ` Al Viro
2026-01-24 4:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-01-24 5:36 ` Al Viro
2026-01-24 17:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-01-24 18:43 ` Al Viro
2026-01-24 19:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-01-24 20:28 ` Al Viro
2026-04-02 18:08 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] getting rid of busy-wait in shrink_dcache_parent() Al Viro
2026-04-02 18:08 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/4] for_each_alias(): helper macro for iterating through dentries of given inode Al Viro
2026-04-02 18:08 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/4] struct dentry: make ->d_u anonymous Al Viro
2026-04-02 18:08 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/4] dcache.c: more idiomatic "positives are not allowed" sanity checks Al Viro
2026-04-02 18:08 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/4] get rid of busy-waiting in shrink_dcache_tree() Al Viro
2026-04-02 19:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-04-02 22:44 ` Al Viro
2026-04-02 22:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-04-02 23:16 ` Al Viro
2026-04-03 0:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-04-03 2:15 ` Al Viro
2026-04-04 0:02 ` Al Viro
2026-04-04 0:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-04-04 18:54 ` Al Viro
2026-04-04 19:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-04-05 0:04 ` Al Viro
2026-04-02 20:28 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] getting rid of busy-wait in shrink_dcache_parent() Paulo Alcantara
2026-04-03 4:46 ` Al Viro
2026-04-04 8:07 ` [RFC PATCH v3 " Al Viro
2026-04-04 8:07 ` [RFC PATCH v3 1/4] for_each_alias(): helper macro for iterating through dentries of given inode Al Viro
2026-04-04 8:07 ` [RFC PATCH v3 2/4] struct dentry: make ->d_u anonymous Al Viro
2026-04-04 8:07 ` [RFC PATCH v3 3/4] dcache.c: more idiomatic "positives are not allowed" sanity checks Al Viro
2026-04-04 8:07 ` [RFC PATCH v3 4/4] get rid of busy-waiting in shrink_dcache_tree() Al Viro
2026-04-09 16:51 ` [RFC PATCH v3 0/4] getting rid of busy-wait in shrink_dcache_parent() Jeff Layton
2026-04-09 19:02 ` Al Viro [this message]
2026-04-09 20:10 ` Jeff Layton
2026-04-09 21:57 ` Al Viro
2026-04-09 22:38 ` Jeff Layton
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