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From: Askar Safin <safinaskar@gmail.com>
To: brauner@kernel.org
Cc: axboe@kernel.dk, jack@suse.cz, jannh@google.com, kees@kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	mjguzik@gmail.com, pfalcato@suse.de, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] fs/splice: allow for a way to block splice() with read-only files
Date: Sat, 23 May 2026 23:41:00 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260523204100.553125-1-safinaskar@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <177918418452.771415.4371785688744608623.b4-reply@b4>

Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>:
> Let's discuss the other aggressive alternative: Can we try and
> unconditionally degrade to copy. This would affect sendfile(), splice(),
> and vmsplice(). Worst-case we would have to introduce the sysctl
> retroactively.
> 
> Thoughts?

I think as a first step we should make vmsplice unconditionally equivalent
to readv/writev.

vmsplice already was problematic from security point of view long time
ago. I mean CVE-2020-29374 (see https://lwn.net/Articles/849638/ ).

David Howells also doesn't like vmsplice:
https://lore.kernel.org/all/1763225.1769180226@warthog.procyon.org.uk/

Linus said in 2023:
> So I'd personally be perfectly ok with just making vmsplice() be
> exactly the same as write, and turn all of vmsplice() into just "it's
> a read() if the pipe is open for read, and a write if it's open for
> writing".
https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=wgG_2cmHgZwKjydi7=iimyHyN8aessnbM9XQ9ufbaUz9g@mail.gmail.com/

Even experts get vmsplice wrong, as can be seen in this thread:
https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAAUqJDvFuvms55Td1c=XKv6epfRnnP78438nZQ-JKyuCptGBiQ@mail.gmail.com/T/#u
As you can see in that thread, it is very hard to understand what vmsplice
man page supposed to mean. And you can also see that vmsplice is very
fragile.

-- 
Askar Safin

      parent reply	other threads:[~2026-05-23 20:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-16 18:21 [RFC PATCH] fs/splice: allow for a way to block splice() with read-only files Pedro Falcato
2026-05-16 23:07 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-17  0:59   ` Pedro Falcato
2026-05-17  1:17     ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-17  9:01       ` Pedro Falcato
2026-05-17 22:30         ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-16 23:51 ` Mateusz Guzik
2026-05-17  0:52   ` Pedro Falcato
2026-05-18 11:44   ` Christian Brauner
2026-05-18 12:20 ` Christian Brauner
2026-05-18 13:02   ` Pedro Falcato
2026-05-18 18:59   ` Jann Horn
2026-05-19  6:39     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-19  9:49     ` Christian Brauner
2026-05-19 10:51       ` Mateusz Guzik
2026-05-19 10:59         ` Christian Brauner
2026-05-19 11:56           ` Mateusz Guzik
2026-05-22 13:11             ` Christian Brauner
2026-05-28 12:59               ` Pedro Falcato
2026-05-19 13:28         ` James Bottomley
2026-05-19 16:28         ` Jann Horn
2026-05-23 20:41       ` Askar Safin [this message]

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