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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>
Cc: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	fuse-devel@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] fuse: permit freezing while waiting for request answer
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2026 12:41:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260820104111.GC1837346@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aobKfyGHkdMcleoc@google.com>

On Thu, Aug 20, 2026 at 06:47:03PM +0900, Sergey Senozhatsky wrote:

> > PM_FREEZE_ME_LAST is going to be trouble I think, before long you'll
> > need PM_FREEZE_ME_REALLY_LAST or somesuch nonsense.
> 
> We probably need more than one, yeah.  This doesn't take into consideration
> relations between tasks within a priority group.  If client A holds a lock
> and enters freezer, and client B sleeps on that lock, then this group
> cannot be suspended.  We need clients to reach some freezer checkpoint,
> instead of doing in-place freezing.
> 
> > Using cgroups for this also doesn't sound right.
> 
> This begins sounding pessimistic.
> 
> cgroup-s sounded solid to me, because this moves all the clients to that
> save freezer checkpoint when they don't hold any locks.  The only
> problem is that if a task never reaches "return from syscall" then
> we fail suspend.  (I'm only talking about user-space tasks here, in the
> context of fuse or inotify.)  Why don't cgroups sound right to you?

The cgroup hierarchy is already a mess, and the more different things
you want to stuff in there, the worse it gets.

Also, I still have machines with CGROUP=n.

Also, you'd be putting suspend success in the hands of userspace, that
sounds like a mighty fail right there.

      reply	other threads:[~2026-08-20 10:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20260819023542.561653-1-senozhatsky@chromium.org>
2026-08-19 10:03 ` [PATCH v2] fuse: permit freezing while waiting for request answer Miklos Szeredi
2026-08-20  4:57   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-08-20  8:49   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-08-20  9:07     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-08-20  9:10       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-08-20  9:24         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-08-20  9:34           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-08-20  9:47             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-08-20 10:41               ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]

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