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From: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@phunq.net>
Cc: Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com, nfsv4@linux-nfs.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dhowells@redhat.com,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, selinux@tycho.nsa.gov,
	casey@schaufler-ca.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/37] Permit filesystem local caching
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:09:09 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2140.1204060149@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200802261143.28348.phillips@phunq.net>

Daniel Phillips <phillips@phunq.net> wrote:

> > Note further that NFS's write_page() != writing to the cache.  Writing to
> > the cache is typically done by NFS's readpages().
> 
> Yes, of course.  But also by ->write_page no?

Theoretically, perhaps, but currently, no.

> 37 Patches, none of which has "Documentation" in the subject line,

Each piece of documentation is included in the patch to which it applies.
Besides, I, like everyone else, always write full documentation for interfaces
that I add, so you should have expected it to be there, right? :-)

> and you did not provide a diffstat in patch 0 for the patch set as a whole.

StGIT doesn't do that.  Besides, it's redundant information.  I'll add
something to the cover note that points out the documentation.

> One bit that already came out of this, which you have alluded to
> several times yourself but somehow seem to keep glossing over, is that
> you need a ->direct_bio file operations method.

Which I am not allowed.  I have suggested it, and it has been refused.  The
problem, as I understand it, is that this would mean BIOs external to the
filesystem which the filesystem would need additional way of keeping track of.
You have to consider that a filesystem can't rearrange any bits of itself that
have I/O in progress on them.

Furthermore, a BIO may not be appropriate.  Consider ReiserFS's tail packing,
or consider an encrypted filesystem, or, worse, a compressed filesystem.  Also,
what if the filesystem isn't backed by a blockdev?

> So does loopback mount.  It might be worth putting some effort into seeing
> how ->direct_IO can be refactored to make that happen.

Have you looked at the horrible tangle of spaghetti that is the current Linux
direct I/O model?  It would take a lot of effort to refactor it.  I've made a
couple of attempts, but the assumptions it makes make it hard.

A separate, clean, in-kernel direct-IO thing would be an easier way to go - but
it's not actually necessary at the moment.

> You can get it in separately on the basis of helping loopback, and it will
> make your patches nicer.

It will make very little difference to the code.  It would improve cachefiles's
cf-rdwr.c, yes, and it ought to improve performance.

David

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-02-26 21:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-20 16:05 [PATCH 00/37] Permit filesystem local caching David Howells
2008-02-20 16:06 ` [PATCH 01/37] KEYS: Increase the payload size when instantiating a key David Howells
2008-02-20 16:06 ` [PATCH 02/37] KEYS: Check starting keyring as part of search David Howells
2008-02-20 16:06 ` [PATCH 03/37] KEYS: Allow the callout data to be passed as a blob rather than a string David Howells
2008-02-20 16:06 ` [PATCH 04/37] KEYS: Add keyctl function to get a security label David Howells
2008-02-20 16:06 ` [PATCH 05/37] Security: Change current->fs[ug]id to current_fs[ug]id() David Howells
2008-02-20 16:06 ` [PATCH 06/37] Security: Separate task security context from task_struct David Howells
2008-02-22  4:47   ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-20 16:06 ` [PATCH 07/37] Security: De-embed task security record from task and use refcounting David Howells
2008-02-22  4:57   ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-20 16:06 ` [PATCH 08/37] Security: Add a kernel_service object class to SELinux David Howells
2008-02-20 16:06 ` [PATCH 09/37] Security: Allow kernel services to override LSM settings for task actions David Howells
2008-02-22  5:06   ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-22 13:06     ` David Howells
2008-02-20 16:06 ` [PATCH 10/37] Security: Make NFSD work with detached security David Howells
2008-02-20 16:06 ` [PATCH 11/37] FS-Cache: Release page->private after failed readahead David Howells
2008-02-20 16:07 ` [PATCH 12/37] FS-Cache: Recruit a couple of page flags for cache management David Howells
2008-02-20 16:07 ` [PATCH 13/37] FS-Cache: Provide an add_wait_queue_tail() function David Howells
2008-02-20 16:07 ` [PATCH 14/37] FS-Cache: Generic filesystem caching facility David Howells
2008-02-20 16:07 ` [PATCH 15/37] CacheFiles: Add missing copy_page export for ia64 David Howells
2008-02-20 16:07 ` [PATCH 16/37] CacheFiles: Be consistent about the use of mapping vs file->f_mapping in Ext3 David Howells
2008-02-20 16:07 ` [PATCH 17/37] CacheFiles: Add a hook to write a single page of data to an inode David Howells
2008-02-20 16:07 ` [PATCH 18/37] CacheFiles: Permit the page lock state to be monitored David Howells
2008-02-20 16:07 ` [PATCH 19/37] CacheFiles: Export things for CacheFiles David Howells
2008-02-20 16:07 ` [PATCH 20/37] CacheFiles: A cache that backs onto a mounted filesystem David Howells
2008-02-20 16:07 ` [PATCH 21/37] NFS: Add comment banners to some NFS functions David Howells
2008-02-20 16:07 ` [PATCH 22/37] NFS: Add FS-Cache option bit and debug bit David Howells
2008-02-20 16:08 ` [PATCH 23/37] NFS: Permit local filesystem caching to be enabled for NFS David Howells
2008-02-20 16:08 ` [PATCH 24/37] NFS: Register NFS for caching and retrieve the top-level index David Howells
2008-02-20 16:08 ` [PATCH 25/37] NFS: Define and create server-level objects David Howells
2008-02-20 16:08 ` [PATCH 26/37] NFS: Define and create superblock-level objects David Howells
2008-02-20 16:08 ` [PATCH 27/37] NFS: Define and create inode-level cache objects David Howells
2008-02-20 16:08 ` [PATCH 28/37] NFS: Use local disk inode cache David Howells
2008-02-20 16:08 ` [PATCH 29/37] NFS: Invalidate FsCache page flags when cache removed David Howells
2008-02-20 16:08 ` [PATCH 30/37] NFS: Add some new I/O event counters for FS-Cache events David Howells
2008-02-20 16:08 ` [PATCH 31/37] NFS: FS-Cache page management David Howells
2008-02-20 16:08 ` [PATCH 32/37] NFS: Add read context retention for FS-Cache to call back with David Howells
2008-02-20 16:08 ` [PATCH 33/37] NFS: nfs_readpage_async() needs to be accessible as a fallback for local caching David Howells
2008-02-20 16:09 ` [PATCH 34/37] NFS: Read pages from FS-Cache into an NFS inode David Howells
2008-02-20 16:09 ` [PATCH 35/37] NFS: Store pages from an NFS inode into a local cache David Howells
2008-02-20 16:09 ` [PATCH 36/37] NFS: Display local caching state David Howells
2008-02-20 16:09 ` [PATCH 37/37] NFS: Add mount options to enable local caching on NFS David Howells
2008-02-20 19:58 ` [PATCH 00/37] Permit filesystem local caching Serge E. Hallyn
2008-02-20 20:11 ` David Howells
2008-02-21  3:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-02-21 12:31 ` David Howells
2008-02-21 14:55 ` David Howells
2008-02-21 15:17   ` Kevin Coffman
2008-02-21 22:44   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-02-21 22:52     ` Muntz, Daniel
2008-02-22  0:07   ` David Howells
2008-02-22  0:57     ` Daniel Phillips
2008-02-22 12:48     ` David Howells
2008-02-22 22:25       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-02-23  1:22       ` David Howells
2008-02-21 23:33 ` David Howells
2008-02-22 13:52   ` Chris Mason
2008-02-22 16:12   ` David Howells
2008-02-22 16:47   ` David Howells
2008-02-25 23:19   ` David Howells
2008-02-26  0:43     ` Daniel Phillips
2008-02-26  2:00     ` David Howells
2008-02-26 10:26       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-02-26 14:33       ` David Howells
2008-02-26 19:43         ` Daniel Phillips
2008-02-26 21:09         ` David Howells [this message]
2008-02-22 16:14 ` David Howells
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2008-02-22 16:01 Rick Macklem
2008-02-08 16:51 David Howells

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