From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: "Lukáš Czerner" <lczerner@redhat.com>,
"Jaegeuk Kim" <jaegeuk.kim@samsung.com>,
"'Namjae Jeon'" <linkinjeon@gmail.com>,
"'Vyacheslav Dubeyko'" <slava@dubeyko.com>,
"'Marco Stornelli'" <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>,
"'Jaegeuk Kim'" <jaegeuk.kim@gmail.com>,
"'Al Viro'" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
tytso@mit.edu, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, chur.lee@samsung.com,
cm224.lee@samsung.com, jooyoung.hwang@samsung.com,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/16] f2fs: introduce flash-friendly file system
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:58 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2456603.OlK4shzgJ4@wuerfel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1349865374.6072.78.camel@shinybook.infradead.org>
On Wednesday 10 October 2012 11:36:14 David Woodhouse wrote:
> The whole thing is silly. What we actually want on an embedded system is
> to ditch the FTL altogether and have direct access to the NAND. Then we
> can know our file system is behaving optimally. And we don't need
> hacks like TRIM to try to make things a little less broken.
I think it's safe to say that the times for raw flash in consumer devices
are over, whether we like it or not. Even if we could go back to MTD
for internal storage, we'd still need something better than what we
have for removable flash storage such as USB and SD.
(and I know that xD cards are basically raw flash, but have you tried
to buy one recently?)
Arnd
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[not found] <415E76CC-A53D-4643-88AB-3D7D7DC56F98@dubeyko.com>
2012-10-06 13:54 ` [PATCH 00/16] f2fs: introduce flash-friendly file system Vyacheslav Dubeyko
2012-10-06 20:06 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2012-10-07 7:09 ` Marco Stornelli
2012-10-07 9:31 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2012-10-07 12:08 ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
2012-10-08 8:25 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2012-10-08 9:59 ` Namjae Jeon
2012-10-08 10:52 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2012-10-08 11:21 ` Namjae Jeon
2012-10-08 12:11 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2012-10-09 3:52 ` Namjae Jeon
2012-10-09 8:00 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2012-10-09 8:31 ` Lukáš Czerner
2012-10-09 10:45 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2012-10-09 11:01 ` Lukáš Czerner
2012-10-09 12:01 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2012-10-09 12:39 ` Lukáš Czerner
2012-10-09 13:10 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2012-10-09 21:20 ` Dave Chinner
2012-10-10 2:32 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2012-10-10 4:53 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-12 20:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-10-10 10:36 ` David Woodhouse
2012-10-12 20:58 ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2012-10-13 4:26 ` Namjae Jeon
2012-10-13 12:37 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2012-10-17 11:12 ` Namjae Jeon
[not found] ` <000001cdacef$b2f6eaa0$18e4bfe0$%kim@samsung.com>
2012-10-18 13:39 ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
2012-10-18 22:14 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2012-10-19 9:20 ` NeilBrown
2012-10-08 19:22 ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
2012-10-09 7:08 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2012-10-09 19:53 ` Jooyoung Hwang
2012-10-10 8:05 ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
2012-10-10 9:02 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-10 11:52 ` SQLite on flash (was: [PATCH 00/16] f2fs: introduce flash-friendly file system) Clemens Ladisch
[not found] ` <50756199.1090103-P6GI/4k7KOmELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 12:47 ` Richard Hipp
2012-10-10 17:17 ` light weight write barriers Andi Kleen
[not found] ` <m2fw5mtffg.fsf_-_-Vw/NltI1exuRpAAqCnN02g@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 17:48 ` Richard Hipp
[not found] ` <CALwJ=MyR+nU3zqi3V3JMuEGNwd8FUsw9xLACJvd0HoBv3kRi0w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-11 16:38 ` Nico Williams
[not found] ` <CAK3OfOi3E1ePfzWjq1epFaXsjtn8V_=r3h+PG6ankWW2fOr6GA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-11 16:48 ` Nico Williams
2012-10-11 16:32 ` 杨苏立 Yang Su Li
2012-10-11 17:41 ` [sqlite] " Christoph Hellwig
2012-10-23 19:53 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
[not found] ` <5086F5A7.9090406-d+Crzxg7Rs0@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-24 21:17 ` Nico Williams
2012-10-24 22:03 ` [sqlite] " david
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1210241447210.8519-Z4YwzcCRHZnr5h6Zg1Auow@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-25 0:20 ` Nico Williams
2012-10-25 1:04 ` [sqlite] " david
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1210241748180.8519-Z4YwzcCRHZnr5h6Zg1Auow@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-25 5:18 ` Nico Williams
2012-10-25 6:02 ` [sqlite] " Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-25 6:58 ` david
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1210242331060.31862-Z4YwzcCRHZnr5h6Zg1Auow@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-25 14:03 ` Theodore Ts'o
[not found] ` <20121025140327.GB13562-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-25 18:03 ` david-gFPdbfVZQbY
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1210251048280.8519-Z4YwzcCRHZnr5h6Zg1Auow@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-25 18:29 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-11-05 20:03 ` [sqlite] " Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20121105200348.GB15821-5NIqAleC692hcjWhqY66xCZi+YwRKgec@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-05 22:04 ` Theodore Ts'o
[not found] ` <20121105220440.GB25378-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-05 22:37 ` Richard Hipp
[not found] ` <CALwJ=Mx-uEFLXK2wywekk=0dwrwVFb68wocnH9bjXJmHRsJx3w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-05 23:00 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-30 23:49 ` [sqlite] " Nico Williams
2012-10-25 5:42 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-25 7:11 ` david
2012-10-27 1:52 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-10-25 5:14 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-25 13:03 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <20121025140325.49cd7c79-38n7/U1jhRXW96NNrWNlrekiAK3p4hvP@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-25 13:50 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-27 1:55 ` [sqlite] " Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-10-27 1:54 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
[not found] ` <508B3EED.2080003-d+Crzxg7Rs0@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-27 4:44 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-30 22:22 ` [sqlite] " Vladislav Bolkhovitin
[not found] ` <5090532D.4050902-d+Crzxg7Rs0@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-31 9:54 ` Alan Cox
2012-11-01 20:18 ` [sqlite] " Vladislav Bolkhovitin
[not found] ` <5092D90F.7020105-d+Crzxg7Rs0@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-01 21:24 ` Alan Cox
2012-11-02 0:15 ` [sqlite] " Vladislav Bolkhovitin
[not found] ` <20121101212418.140e3a82-38n7/U1jhRXW96NNrWNlrekiAK3p4hvP@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-02 0:38 ` Howard Chu
[not found] ` <50931601.4060102-aQkYFu9vm6AAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-02 12:24 ` Richard Hipp
2012-11-13 3:41 ` [sqlite] " Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-11-02 12:33 ` Alan Cox
2012-11-13 3:41 ` [sqlite] " Vladislav Bolkhovitin
[not found] ` <50A1C15E.2080605-d+Crzxg7Rs0@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-13 17:40 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <20121113174000.6457a68b-38n7/U1jhRXW96NNrWNlrekiAK3p4hvP@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-13 19:13 ` Nico Williams
2012-11-15 1:17 ` [sqlite] " Vladislav Bolkhovitin
[not found] ` <50A442AF.9020407-d+Crzxg7Rs0@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-15 12:07 ` David Lang
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1211150353080.32408-UEhY+ZBZOcqqLGM74eQ/YA@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-15 16:14 ` 杨苏立 Yang Su Li
2012-11-17 5:02 ` [sqlite] " Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-11-16 15:06 ` Howard Chu
2012-11-16 15:31 ` [sqlite] " Ric Wheeler
[not found] ` <50A65C68.6080001-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-16 15:54 ` Howard Chu
2012-11-16 18:03 ` [sqlite] " Ric Wheeler
[not found] ` <50A65681.8000204-aQkYFu9vm6AAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-16 19:14 ` David Lang
2012-11-17 5:02 ` [sqlite] " Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-11-15 17:06 ` Ryan Johnson
2012-11-15 22:35 ` [sqlite] " Chris Friesen
2012-11-17 5:02 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-11-20 1:23 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-11-26 20:05 ` Nico Williams
[not found] ` <CAK3OfOjD4XBGfu3cnMwTvCfec0Lvg3zrO16+pXtiFF4UWpFjDw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-29 2:15 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-11-15 1:16 ` [sqlite] " Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-11-13 3:37 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-11-11 4:25 ` 杨苏立 Yang Su Li
2012-11-13 3:42 ` [sqlite] " Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-10-10 7:57 ` [PATCH 00/16] f2fs: introduce flash-friendly file system Vyacheslav Dubeyko
2012-10-10 9:43 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2012-10-11 3:14 ` Namjae Jeon
[not found] ` <CAN863PuyMkSZtZCvqX+kwei9v=rnbBYVYr3TqBXF_6uxwJe2_Q@mail.gmail.com>
2012-10-17 11:13 ` Namjae Jeon
2012-10-17 23:06 ` Changman Lee
2012-10-12 12:30 ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
2012-10-12 14:25 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2012-10-07 10:15 ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
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