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From: Paul Moore <pmoore-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Oren Laadan <orenl-3AfRa/s5aFdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Richard Guy Briggs <rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Steve Grubb <sgrubb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Linux Containers
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	linux-kernel
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	viro-RmSDqhL/yNMiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org,
	linux-audit-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	eparis-FjpueFixGhCM4zKIHC2jIg@public.gmane.org,
	zohar-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org,
	Eric Biederman <ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V6 05/10] audit: log creation and deletion of namespace instances
Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 16:42:38 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2697338.ReFgH43Z0x@sifl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA4jN2bgynVTwF+owtXgq06JMLQJpy_qokpD0mAguNYeDxmh1A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On Thursday, May 14, 2015 09:10:56 PM Oren Laadan wrote:
> [focusing on "containers id" - snipped the rest away]
> 
> I am unfamiliar with the audit subsystem, but work with namespaces in other
> contexts. Perhaps the term "container" is overloaded here. The definition
> suggested by Steve in this thread makes sense to me: "a combination of
> namespaces". I imagine people may want to audit subsets of namespaces.
> 
> For namespaces, can use a string like "A:B:C:D:E:F" as an identifier for a
> particular combination, where A-F are respective namespaces identifiers.
> (Can be taken for example from /proc/PID/ns/{mnt,uts,ipc,user,pid,net}).
>  That will even be grep-able to locate records related to a particular
> subset
> of namespaces. So a "container" in the classic meaning would have all A-F
> unique and different from the init process, but processes separated only by
> e.g. mnt-ns and net-ns will differ from the init process in  A and F.
> 
> (If a string is a no go, then perhaps combine the IDs in a unique way into a
> super ID).

As has been mentioned in every other email in this thread, the kernel has no 
concept of a container, it is a userspace idea and trying to generate a 
meaningful value in the kernel is a mistake in my opinion.  My current opinion 
is that we allow userspace to set a container ID token as it sees fit and the 
kernel will just use the value provided by userspace.

-- 
paul moore
security @ redhat

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-05-15 20:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <cover.1429252659.git.rgb@redhat.com>
     [not found] ` <cover.1429252659.git.rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-17  7:35   ` [PATCH V6 05/10] audit: log creation and deletion of namespace instances Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]     ` <11270b0b1afd0a25b108915673e1e1b38dfeeafa.1429252659.git.rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-05 14:22       ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-05 14:31         ` Aristeu Rozanski
     [not found]           ` <20150505143119.GA4350-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-05 14:46             ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-05 14:56         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <87pp6fhy4c.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-05 15:16             ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-12 19:57         ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]           ` <20150512195759.GA9832-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-14 14:57             ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-14 15:42               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <87iobvnp1t.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-14 16:21                   ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-15  2:03                   ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-05-14 19:19               ` Paul Moore
2015-05-15  1:31                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-15  2:25                   ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]                   ` <87bnhmbp8e.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-15 13:17                     ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-15 14:51                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-15 21:01                   ` Paul Moore
2015-05-15  2:32                 ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]                   ` <20150515023221.GC965-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-15  6:23                     ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                       ` <CALCETrWzM4+Vs8OVJWBcWJfbR_DRSb+e7SmUyy6CS4sHQaTkRw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-15 12:38                         ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-15 13:17                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-15 21:05                         ` Paul Moore
2015-05-16  9:46                           ` Daniel J Walsh
2015-05-16 12:16                             ` Paul Moore
     [not found]                               ` <CAHC9VhRKSK9=9qPF3dgALS=x1g3LinNeQvuhNV5TvQ=D7Szuag-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-16 14:46                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                   ` <87r3qgpol6.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-16 22:49                                     ` Paul Moore
2015-05-19 13:09                                       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-05-19 14:27                                         ` Paul Moore
2015-05-15  0:48               ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]                 ` <20150515004855.GB10526-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-15  1:10                   ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]                     ` <CAA4jN2bgynVTwF+owtXgq06JMLQJpy_qokpD0mAguNYeDxmh1A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-15  2:11                       ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]                         ` <20150515021126.GA965-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-15 13:19                           ` Daniel J Walsh
2015-05-15 20:42                       ` Paul Moore [this message]
2015-05-15 20:26                 ` Paul Moore

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