From: Paul Moore <pmoore-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Oren Laadan <orenl-3AfRa/s5aFdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Richard Guy Briggs <rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Steve Grubb <sgrubb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Linux Containers
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Eric Biederman <ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V6 05/10] audit: log creation and deletion of namespace instances
Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 16:42:38 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2697338.ReFgH43Z0x@sifl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA4jN2bgynVTwF+owtXgq06JMLQJpy_qokpD0mAguNYeDxmh1A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
On Thursday, May 14, 2015 09:10:56 PM Oren Laadan wrote:
> [focusing on "containers id" - snipped the rest away]
>
> I am unfamiliar with the audit subsystem, but work with namespaces in other
> contexts. Perhaps the term "container" is overloaded here. The definition
> suggested by Steve in this thread makes sense to me: "a combination of
> namespaces". I imagine people may want to audit subsets of namespaces.
>
> For namespaces, can use a string like "A:B:C:D:E:F" as an identifier for a
> particular combination, where A-F are respective namespaces identifiers.
> (Can be taken for example from /proc/PID/ns/{mnt,uts,ipc,user,pid,net}).
> That will even be grep-able to locate records related to a particular
> subset
> of namespaces. So a "container" in the classic meaning would have all A-F
> unique and different from the init process, but processes separated only by
> e.g. mnt-ns and net-ns will differ from the init process in A and F.
>
> (If a string is a no go, then perhaps combine the IDs in a unique way into a
> super ID).
As has been mentioned in every other email in this thread, the kernel has no
concept of a container, it is a userspace idea and trying to generate a
meaningful value in the kernel is a mistake in my opinion. My current opinion
is that we allow userspace to set a container ID token as it sees fit and the
kernel will just use the value provided by userspace.
--
paul moore
security @ redhat
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-05-15 20:42 UTC|newest]
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[not found] ` <cover.1429252659.git.rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-17 7:35 ` [PATCH V6 05/10] audit: log creation and deletion of namespace instances Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <11270b0b1afd0a25b108915673e1e1b38dfeeafa.1429252659.git.rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-05 14:22 ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-05 14:31 ` Aristeu Rozanski
[not found] ` <20150505143119.GA4350-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-05 14:46 ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-05 14:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87pp6fhy4c.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-05 15:16 ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-12 19:57 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <20150512195759.GA9832-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-14 14:57 ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-14 15:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87iobvnp1t.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-14 16:21 ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-15 2:03 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-05-14 19:19 ` Paul Moore
2015-05-15 1:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-15 2:25 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <87bnhmbp8e.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-15 13:17 ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-15 14:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-15 21:01 ` Paul Moore
2015-05-15 2:32 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <20150515023221.GC965-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-15 6:23 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrWzM4+Vs8OVJWBcWJfbR_DRSb+e7SmUyy6CS4sHQaTkRw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-15 12:38 ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-15 13:17 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-15 21:05 ` Paul Moore
2015-05-16 9:46 ` Daniel J Walsh
2015-05-16 12:16 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <CAHC9VhRKSK9=9qPF3dgALS=x1g3LinNeQvuhNV5TvQ=D7Szuag-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-16 14:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87r3qgpol6.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-16 22:49 ` Paul Moore
2015-05-19 13:09 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-05-19 14:27 ` Paul Moore
2015-05-15 0:48 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <20150515004855.GB10526-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-15 1:10 ` Oren Laadan
[not found] ` <CAA4jN2bgynVTwF+owtXgq06JMLQJpy_qokpD0mAguNYeDxmh1A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-15 2:11 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <20150515021126.GA965-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-15 13:19 ` Daniel J Walsh
2015-05-15 20:42 ` Paul Moore [this message]
2015-05-15 20:26 ` Paul Moore
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