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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] fs: add support for LOOKUP_NONBLOCK
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 09:14:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2b7242dc-0cdf-80ea-18bd-fa00cc3295be@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4ddec582-3e07-5d3d-8fd0-4df95c02abfb@kernel.dk>

On 12/15/20 9:08 AM, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 12/15/20 8:37 AM, Jens Axboe wrote:
>> On 12/15/20 8:33 AM, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 08:29:40AM -0700, Jens Axboe wrote:
>>>> On 12/15/20 5:24 AM, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 12:13:22PM -0700, Jens Axboe wrote:
>>>>>> +++ b/fs/namei.c
>>>>>> @@ -686,6 +686,8 @@ static bool try_to_unlazy(struct nameidata *nd)
>>>>>>  	BUG_ON(!(nd->flags & LOOKUP_RCU));
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  	nd->flags &= ~LOOKUP_RCU;
>>>>>> +	if (nd->flags & LOOKUP_NONBLOCK)
>>>>>> +		goto out1;
>>>>>
>>>>> If we try a walk in a non-blocking context, it fails, then we punt to
>>>>> a thread, do we want to prohibit that thread trying an RCU walk first?
>>>>> I can see arguments both ways -- this may only be a temporary RCU walk
>>>>> failure, or we may never be able to RCU walk this path.
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion, it's not worth it trying to over complicate matters by
>>>> handling the retry side differently. Better to just keep them the
>>>> same. We'd need a lookup anyway to avoid aliasing.
>>>
>>> but by clearing LOOKUP_RCU here, aren't you making the retry handle
>>> things differently?  maybe i got lost.
>>
>> That's already how it works, I'm just clearing LOOKUP_NONBLOCK (which
>> relies on LOOKUP_RCU) when we're clearing LOOKUP_RCU. I can try and
>> benchmark skipping LOOKUP_RCU when we do the blocking retry, but my gut
>> tells me it'll be noise.
> 
> OK, ran some numbers. The test app benchmarks opening X files, I just
> used /usr on my test box. That's 182677 files. To mimic real worldy
> kind of setups, 33% of the files can be looked up hot, so LOOKUP_NONBLOCK
> will succeed.
> 
> Patchset as posted:
> 
> Method		Time (usec)
> ---------------------------
> openat		2,268,930
> openat		2,274,256
> openat		2,274,256
> io_uring	  917,813
> io_uring	  921,448 
> io_uring	  915,233
> 
> And with a LOOKUP_NO_RCU flag, which io_uring sets when it has to do
> retry, and which will make namei skip the first LOOKUP_RCU for path
> resolution:
> 
> Method		Time (usec)
> ---------------------------
> io_uring	  902,410
> io_uring	  902,725
> io_uring	  896,289
> 
> Definitely not faster - whether that's just reboot noise, or if it's
> significant, I'd need to look deeper to figure out.

If you're puzzled by the conclusion based on the numbers, there's a good
reason. The first table is io_uring + LOOKUP_NO_RCU for retry, second
table is io_uring as posted. I mistakenly swapped the numbers around...

So conclusion still stands, I just pasted in the wrong set for the
table.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-15 16:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-14 19:13 [PATCHSET v3 0/4] fs: Support for LOOKUP_NONBLOCK / RESOLVE_NONBLOCK Jens Axboe
2020-12-14 19:13 ` [PATCH 1/4] fs: make unlazy_walk() error handling consistent Jens Axboe
2020-12-14 19:13 ` [PATCH 2/4] fs: add support for LOOKUP_NONBLOCK Jens Axboe
2020-12-15 12:24   ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-12-15 15:29     ` Jens Axboe
2020-12-15 15:33       ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-12-15 15:37         ` Jens Axboe
2020-12-15 16:08           ` Jens Axboe
2020-12-15 16:14             ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2020-12-15 18:29             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-15 18:44               ` Jens Axboe
2020-12-15 18:47                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-15 19:03                   ` Jens Axboe
2020-12-15 19:32                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-15 19:38                       ` Jens Axboe
2020-12-16  2:36   ` Al Viro
2020-12-16  3:30     ` Jens Axboe
2020-12-16  2:43   ` Al Viro
2020-12-16  3:32     ` Jens Axboe
2020-12-14 19:13 ` [PATCH 3/4] fs: expose LOOKUP_NONBLOCK through openat2() RESOLVE_NONBLOCK Jens Axboe
2020-12-15 22:25   ` Dave Chinner
2020-12-15 22:31     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-15 23:25       ` Jens Axboe
2020-12-16  2:37   ` Al Viro
2020-12-16  3:39     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-14 19:13 ` [PATCH 4/4] io_uring: enable LOOKUP_NONBLOCK path resolution for filename lookups Jens Axboe
2020-12-15  3:06 ` [PATCHSET v3 0/4] fs: Support for LOOKUP_NONBLOCK / RESOLVE_NONBLOCK Linus Torvalds
2020-12-15  3:18   ` Jens Axboe
2020-12-15  6:11 ` Al Viro
2020-12-15 15:29   ` Jens Axboe
2021-01-04  5:31 ` Al Viro
2021-01-04 14:43   ` Jens Axboe
2021-01-04 16:54     ` Al Viro
2021-01-04 17:03       ` Jens Axboe
     [not found] ` <m1lfbrwrgq.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org>
2021-02-14 16:38   ` [PATCHSET v3 0/4] fs: Support for LOOKUP_NONBLOCK / RESOLVE_NONBLOCK (Insufficiently faking current?) Jens Axboe
2021-02-14 20:30     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-02-14 21:24       ` Al Viro
2021-02-15 18:07       ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-02-15 18:24         ` Jens Axboe
2021-02-15 21:09           ` Jens Axboe
2021-02-15 22:41             ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-02-16  2:41               ` Jens Axboe
2021-02-17  1:18                 ` Jens Axboe
2021-02-17  1:26                   ` Jens Axboe
2021-02-17  3:11                     ` Jens Axboe
2021-02-15 17:56     ` Eric W. Biederman

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