From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Grzegorz_Ja=C5=9Bkiewicz?= Subject: Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:14:51 +0200 Message-ID: <2f4958ff04090302141bc222e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <200408290004.i7T04DEO003646@localhost.localdomain> <20040901224513.GM31934@mail.shareable.org> <20040903082256.GA17629@kroah.com> <2f4958ff04090301326e7302c1@mail.gmail.com> <41383142.4080201@hist.no> Reply-To: =?UTF-8?Q?Grzegorz_Ja=C5=9Bkiewicz?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Greg KH , Jamie Lokier , Horst von Brand , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, reiserfs-list@namesys.com Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com To: Helge Hafting In-Reply-To: <41383142.4080201@hist.no> List-Id: linux-fsdevel.vger.kernel.org On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:54:26 +0200, Helge Hafting w= rote: > Grzegorz Ja=C5=9Bkiewicz wrote: >=20 > > > >devfs was very natural, and simple solution. But to have it right, it > >would have to be the only /dev filesystem. > >But no, we like choices, so we have chaos. > >Udev is just another thing adding to that chaos. > > > >Someone was numbering things that are good in BSD design, in that > >thread. One of those things was going for devfs. No cheap solutions. > >One fs for /dev. And it works great. > > > >Sorry for bit of trolling. > > > > > Devfs was a ver good idea. The implementation of it > was a problem, and after some time nobody maintained it. > No surprise it had to go. Now udev+tmpfs can do the same > job, and more. udef is a one big mistake, having need for userspace tool to use FS is at least silly. I can understeand need for some things in kernel to have userspace daemon. But FS is out of question the least one. I am supprised noone wanted to maintain devfs. Maybe because people didn't want to go to devfs only. But still to have classic /dev. It's also silly, because person writing driver needs to choose between, or implement all. That's more than bad. Once I have loads of time, and no work in KDE, I can take over devfs happily :-) --=20 GJ