From: Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/21] Free some vmemmap pages of hugetlb page
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 13:52:13 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <37f4bf02-c438-9fbd-32ea-8bedbe30c4da@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201123073842.GA27488@dhcp22.suse.cz>
On 11/22/20 11:38 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Fri 20-11-20 09:45:12, Mike Kravetz wrote:
>> On 11/20/20 1:43 AM, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> [...]
>>>>> To keep things easy, maybe simply never allow to free these hugetlb pages
>>>>> again for now? If they were reserved during boot and the vmemmap condensed,
>>>>> then just let them stick around for all eternity.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure I understand. Do you propose to only free those vmemmap pages
>>>> when the pool is initialized during boot time and never allow to free
>>>> them up? That would certainly make it safer and maybe even simpler wrt
>>>> implementation.
>>>
>>> Exactly, let's keep it simple for now. I guess most use cases of this (virtualization, databases, ...) will allocate hugepages during boot and never free them.
>>
>> Not sure if I agree with that last statement. Database and virtualization
>> use cases from my employer allocate allocate hugetlb pages after boot. It
>> is shortly after boot, but still not from boot/kernel command line.
>
> Is there any strong reason for that?
>
The reason I have been given is that it is preferable to have SW compute
the number of needed huge pages after boot based on total memory, rather
than have a sysadmin calculate the number and add a boot parameter.
>> Somewhat related, but not exactly addressing this issue ...
>>
>> One idea discussed in a previous patch set was to disable PMD/huge page
>> mapping of vmemmap if this feature was enabled. This would eliminate a bunch
>> of the complex code doing page table manipulation. It does not address
>> the issue of struct page pages going away which is being discussed here,
>> but it could be a way to simply the first version of this code. If this
>> is going to be an 'opt in' feature as previously suggested, then eliminating
>> the PMD/huge page vmemmap mapping may be acceptable. My guess is that
>> sysadmins would only 'opt in' if they expect most of system memory to be used
>> by hugetlb pages. We certainly have database and virtualization use cases
>> where this is true.
>
> Would this simplify the code considerably? I mean, the vmemmap page
> tables will need to be updated anyway. So that code has to stay. PMD
> entry split shouldn't be the most complex part of that operation. On
> the other hand dropping large pages for all vmemmaps will likely have a
> performance.
I agree with your points. This was just one way in which the patch set
could be simplified.
--
Mike Kravetz
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-11-23 21:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-11-20 6:43 [PATCH v5 00/21] Free some vmemmap pages of hugetlb page Muchun Song
2020-11-20 6:43 ` [PATCH v5 01/21] mm/memory_hotplug: Move bootmem info registration API to bootmem_info.c Muchun Song
2020-11-20 6:43 ` [PATCH v5 02/21] mm/memory_hotplug: Move {get,put}_page_bootmem() " Muchun Song
2020-11-20 6:43 ` [PATCH v5 03/21] mm/hugetlb: Introduce a new config HUGETLB_PAGE_FREE_VMEMMAP Muchun Song
2020-11-20 7:49 ` Michal Hocko
2020-11-20 8:35 ` [External] " Muchun Song
2020-11-20 8:47 ` Michal Hocko
2020-11-20 8:53 ` Muchun Song
2020-11-20 6:43 ` [PATCH v5 04/21] mm/hugetlb: Introduce nr_free_vmemmap_pages in the struct hstate Muchun Song
2020-11-20 6:43 ` [PATCH v5 05/21] mm/hugetlb: Introduce pgtable allocation/freeing helpers Muchun Song
2020-11-20 6:43 ` [PATCH v5 06/21] mm/bootmem_info: Introduce {free,prepare}_vmemmap_page() Muchun Song
2020-11-20 6:43 ` [PATCH v5 07/21] mm/bootmem_info: Combine bootmem info and type into page->freelist Muchun Song
2020-11-20 6:43 ` [PATCH v5 08/21] mm/hugetlb: Initialize page table lock for vmemmap Muchun Song
2020-11-20 6:43 ` [PATCH v5 09/21] mm/hugetlb: Free the vmemmap pages associated with each hugetlb page Muchun Song
2020-11-20 6:43 ` [PATCH v5 10/21] mm/hugetlb: Defer freeing of hugetlb pages Muchun Song
2020-11-20 6:43 ` [PATCH v5 11/21] mm/hugetlb: Allocate the vmemmap pages associated with each hugetlb page Muchun Song
2020-11-20 8:11 ` Michal Hocko
2020-11-20 8:51 ` [External] " Muchun Song
2020-11-20 9:28 ` Michal Hocko
2020-11-20 9:37 ` Muchun Song
2020-11-20 11:10 ` Michal Hocko
2020-11-20 11:56 ` Muchun Song
2020-11-20 6:43 ` [PATCH v5 12/21] mm/hugetlb: Introduce remap_huge_page_pmd_vmemmap helper Muchun Song
2020-11-20 6:43 ` [PATCH v5 13/21] mm/hugetlb: Use PG_slab to indicate split pmd Muchun Song
2020-11-20 8:16 ` Michal Hocko
2020-11-20 9:30 ` [External] " Muchun Song
2020-11-23 7:48 ` Michal Hocko
2020-11-23 8:01 ` Muchun Song
2020-11-20 6:43 ` [PATCH v5 14/21] mm/hugetlb: Support freeing vmemmap pages of gigantic page Muchun Song
2020-11-20 6:43 ` [PATCH v5 15/21] mm/hugetlb: Set the PageHWPoison to the raw error page Muchun Song
2020-11-20 8:19 ` Michal Hocko
2020-11-20 10:32 ` [External] " Muchun Song
2020-11-20 6:43 ` [PATCH v5 16/21] mm/hugetlb: Flush work when dissolving hugetlb page Muchun Song
2020-11-20 8:20 ` Michal Hocko
2020-11-20 6:43 ` [PATCH v5 17/21] mm/hugetlb: Add a kernel parameter hugetlb_free_vmemmap Muchun Song
2020-11-20 8:22 ` Michal Hocko
2020-11-20 10:39 ` [External] " Muchun Song
2020-11-20 6:43 ` [PATCH v5 18/21] mm/hugetlb: Merge pte to huge pmd only for gigantic page Muchun Song
2020-11-20 8:23 ` Michal Hocko
2020-11-20 10:41 ` [External] " Muchun Song
2020-11-20 6:43 ` [PATCH v5 19/21] mm/hugetlb: Gather discrete indexes of tail page Muchun Song
2020-11-20 6:43 ` [PATCH v5 20/21] mm/hugetlb: Add BUILD_BUG_ON to catch invalid usage of tail struct page Muchun Song
2020-11-20 6:43 ` [PATCH v5 21/21] mm/hugetlb: Disable freeing vmemmap if struct page size is not power of two Muchun Song
2020-11-20 8:25 ` Michal Hocko
2020-11-20 9:15 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-11-22 13:30 ` Mike Rapoport
2020-11-22 19:00 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-11-23 3:14 ` [External] " Muchun Song
2020-11-20 9:16 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-11-20 10:42 ` [External] " Muchun Song
2020-11-20 8:42 ` [PATCH v5 00/21] Free some vmemmap pages of hugetlb page Michal Hocko
2020-11-20 9:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-11-20 9:39 ` Michal Hocko
2020-11-20 9:43 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-11-20 17:45 ` Mike Kravetz
2020-11-20 18:00 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-11-22 7:29 ` [External] " Muchun Song
2020-11-23 7:38 ` Michal Hocko
2020-11-23 21:52 ` Mike Kravetz [this message]
2020-11-23 22:01 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-11-20 12:40 ` [External] " Muchun Song
2020-11-20 13:11 ` Michal Hocko
2020-11-20 15:44 ` Muchun Song
2020-11-23 7:40 ` Michal Hocko
2020-11-23 8:53 ` Muchun Song
2020-11-23 9:43 ` Michal Hocko
2020-11-23 10:36 ` Muchun Song
2020-11-23 10:42 ` Michal Hocko
2020-11-23 11:16 ` Muchun Song
2020-11-23 11:32 ` Michal Hocko
2020-11-23 12:07 ` Muchun Song
2020-11-23 12:18 ` Michal Hocko
2020-11-23 12:40 ` Muchun Song
2020-11-23 12:48 ` Michal Hocko
2020-11-23 12:45 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-11-23 13:05 ` Muchun Song
2020-11-23 13:13 ` Michal Hocko
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