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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/2/26 10:10, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 09:46:37AM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote: >> On 7/2/26 09:27, Christian Brauner wrote: >>> >>> I think we should just drop any attribution as a general kernel-wide >>> rule and let subsystems require them as needed. Then you can have all >>> the complexity in mm for this that you think is needed for your >>> workflow to function. This is precisely what the subsystem profiles are >>> for. So maybe just add: >>> >>> Documentation/process/maintainer-mm.rst >>> >>> alongside >>> >>> Documentation/process/maintainer-{tip,netdev,x86}.rst >>> >>> and lay down the rules that you require for LLM based submissions in >>> whatever detail you need. >> >> I'm not really sure if having (more?) subsystem-specific tags is the way to go. >> (below) >> >> So either we find a very simple, kernel-wide rule for such tags, or we drop them >> entirely. >> >>> >>> I don't see how this additional commentary you want would ever be >>> enforced consistently across the kernel or who would even enforce it. I >>> don't need more beaurocracy to chase after people in my subsystems tbh. >> >> That's certainly a good thing to discuss. (below) >> >>> >>> The other thing is that I think this Assisted-by annotation is just >>> noise in the changelog. If you want to know in detail what an LLM was >>> used for when generating the patch it's mostly a signal for how >>> "intense" of a review this will get afaict (already questionable imho >>> but sure that's just something to disagree on). >> >> I'd be happy to just have such information in the cover letter. Without any >> tags. Having subsystem-specific rules on the disclosure on that might be more >> reasonable. >> >> I agree on the "enforce" aspect. It's impossible, but it's still easy to catch >> people using AI irresponsibly today ... and that's what we care about. Not >> people that know what they are doing using AI responsibly. > > I have to reply to the "responsible" part: there's no possible ethical > use of generative AI in FOSS development today. haha, fair enough. I was focusing on the technical aspect. -- Cheers, David