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From: "William H. Taber" <wtaber@us.ibm.com>
To: Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net>
Cc: Ram Pai <linuxram@us.ibm.com>,
	autofs mailing list <autofs@linux.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [autofs] [RFC PATCH]autofs4: hang and proposed fix
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:20:10 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <437DF12A.5050805@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0511180926400.25749@wombat.indigo.net.au>

Ian Kent wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, William H. Taber wrote:
> 
> Hi Taber,

Hi,
You can call me Will. Most everyone else does. :^)
> 
>>
>>Ian,
>>I don't think that you can fix this in the autofs by tinkering with 
>>holding and releasing the parent i_sem.  The reason for this is that you 
>>  don't have any way of knowing if you hold that lock or not.  The easy 
>>case is that nobody holds the lock.  But if the lock is held you have no 
>>way to know that you are the person holding the lock and you cannot 
>>unlock someone elses lock without serious consequences.
> 
> 
> Yes. I see.
> 
> But let me make sure I understand what you are saying.
> 
> The problem would be that if I release and then retake the lock for autofs 
> to do it thing there is a risk of opening the caller to the potential 
> races it is protecting itself from. 
> 
> Correct?
> 
No, it is actually a little more subtle than that.  The problem is that 
since you can be called from two code paths, one of which get's the lock 
and one of them doesn't, you are stuck if you find that the lock is held 
because you don't know who holds it.  The danger is that some innocent 
third party is holding the lock and counting on being protected by it. 
If you release the lock, then you can be creating the potential for a 
race in their code and there would be no way to detect it.  Their code 
path would look correct because it is.  Not only that but the lock 
itself could get confused because it would have more unlocks than locks, 
because presumably the process that thinks it has the lock would 
eventually unlock as well.  I don't know how the semaphores are 
implemented on all architectures so I don't know if that would be an 
actual problem or not but it I would be surprised if they all handled 
that case gracefully.

Regards,

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2005-11-18 15:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-16 10:17 [RFC PATCH]autofs4: hang and proposed fix Ram Pai
2005-11-16 12:41 ` [autofs] " Ian Kent
2005-11-16 16:50   ` Ram Pai
2005-11-16 22:57     ` Ian Kent
2005-11-17  1:52       ` [autofs] " Ram Pai
2005-11-17 18:50         ` Ian Kent
2005-11-17 19:19           ` William H. Taber
2005-11-17 20:39             ` Ram Pai
2005-11-17 22:31               ` William H. Taber
2005-11-18 14:57                 ` Ian Kent
2005-11-18 14:54               ` Ian Kent
2005-11-18 14:44             ` Ian Kent
2005-11-18 15:20               ` William H. Taber [this message]
2005-11-18 16:30                 ` Ian Kent
2005-11-18 17:12                   ` William H. Taber
2005-11-18 18:57                     ` Ram Pai
2005-11-18 20:08                       ` William H. Taber
2005-11-19  2:52                         ` Ian Kent
2005-11-21 16:40                           ` William H. Taber
2005-11-22 13:13                             ` Ian Kent
2005-11-22 17:48                               ` [autofs] " William H. Taber
2005-11-23 14:11                                 ` Ian Kent
2005-11-23 16:42                                   ` William H. Taber
2005-11-23 17:52                                     ` Ian Kent
2005-11-23 18:47                                       ` William H. Taber
2005-11-19  1:40                     ` Ian Kent
2005-11-16 15:22 ` Jeff Moyer
2005-11-16 17:00   ` [autofs] " Ram Pai
2005-11-16 18:25     ` Jeff Moyer
2005-11-16 19:24       ` William H. Taber
2005-11-16 19:51         ` Ram Pai
2005-11-27 10:47 ` Ian Kent
2005-11-28 17:19   ` William H. Taber
2005-11-28 23:12     ` Badari Pulavarty
2005-11-29 14:19       ` Ian Kent
2005-11-29 16:34         ` William H. Taber
2005-11-30 14:02           ` Ian Kent
2005-11-30 16:49             ` Badari Pulavarty
2005-11-30 17:04               ` Trond Myklebust
2005-11-30 21:10                 ` William H. Taber
2005-11-29 14:20     ` Ian Kent
2005-11-30  1:16 ` [autofs] " Jeff Moyer
2005-11-30  1:56   ` Trond Myklebust
2005-11-30  4:15     ` Jeff Moyer
2005-11-30  6:14       ` Trond Myklebust
2005-11-30 15:44         ` Ian Kent
2005-11-30 15:53           ` [autofs] " Trond Myklebust
2005-11-30 16:12             ` Ian Kent
2005-11-30 16:27               ` Ian Kent
2005-11-30 16:45               ` [autofs] " Trond Myklebust
2005-11-30 20:32     ` William H. Taber
2005-11-30 20:53       ` Trond Myklebust
2005-11-30 21:30         ` William H. Taber
2005-11-30 22:32           ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-01 16:27             ` William H. Taber
2005-12-01 12:09           ` Ian Kent
2005-12-01 16:30             ` William H. Taber
2005-12-02 13:49               ` Ian Kent
2005-12-02 14:07                 ` Jeff Moyer
2005-12-02 15:21                   ` Ian Kent
2005-12-02 16:35                     ` [autofs] " Will Taber
2005-12-02 17:11                       ` Ian Kent
2005-12-02 15:34                 ` Will Taber
2005-12-02 17:29                   ` Ian Kent
2005-12-02 18:12                     ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-04 12:56                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-04 12:57                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-04 14:58                           ` Ian Kent
2005-12-04 17:17                             ` [autofs] " Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-05 14:02                               ` Ian Kent
2005-12-06 21:20                               ` Jeff Moyer
2005-12-06 21:40                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-06 22:37                                   ` Jeff Moyer
2005-12-07 14:52                                   ` Will Taber
2005-12-07 15:18                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-07 15:22                                   ` Brian Long
2005-12-07 15:25                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-07 17:46                                     ` Will Taber
2005-12-08 14:16                                       ` Ian Kent
2005-12-09 12:12                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-09 13:33                                         ` John T. Kohl
2005-12-13 18:39                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-04 14:56                         ` Ian Kent
2005-12-02 19:04                     ` [autofs] " Will Taber
2005-12-04  9:39                       ` Ian Kent
2005-12-02 16:04                 ` [autofs] " Jeff Moyer
2005-12-02 17:36                   ` Ian Kent
2005-12-02 18:33                     ` [autofs] " Will Taber
2005-12-04  9:52                       ` Ian Kent
2005-12-04 14:54                         ` Ian Kent
2005-12-05 15:40                           ` Ian Kent
2005-11-30 14:48   ` [autofs] " Ian Kent

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