From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
ext2-devel <ext2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
cmm@us.ibm.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
Alex Tomas <alex@clusterfs.com>,
Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:58:41 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4489B6D1.1030600@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060609174405.GA10524@thunk.org>
Theodore Tso wrote:
> And in any case, this is why we have to think very carefully before
> forking the codebase between ext3 and "ext4". The work that we might
> use to slim down ext4_inode_info would also have to be backported to
> ext3_inode_info before ext3 users see the benefit. And there may also
No, the entire point is that you stop backporting all the junk, and just
leave ext3 as is. Let it sit, let it stabilize.
New development -- including inode slimming work -- can be best done in
ext4. With ext3, you are fighting all those old back-compat features
and associated code paths bloating up the in-core inode [code].
_Obviously_ there may be bugs found in three codebases, rather than two.
But over time those will trickle off, particularly when developers
successfully resist the urge to continue modifying ext[23].
There will always newer, bigger storage situations and arrays, and I
think it's a mistake to continue modifying the same Linux filesystem to
support all these situations. The logical end result is a big, unwieldy
codebase that supports $N metadata, data, and journal formats.
In the same way we don't stuff support for all PCI ethernet or SATA
drivers into the same .o file, we shouldn't keep stuffing support for
all these varying filesystem formats into ext3.o. That creates (and
extents exacerbate) the "what ext3 fs am I mounting, today?" support
problem.
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-06-09 17:58 UTC|newest]
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2006-06-09 1:20 [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3 Mingming Cao
2006-06-09 2:40 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-09 8:20 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 18:35 ` [Ext2-devel] " Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 19:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:28 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:41 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:23 ` Mingming Cao
2006-06-09 2:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 8:35 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 15:08 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 15:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:55 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:07 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:09 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:04 ` Matthew Frost
2006-06-09 18:10 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 18:14 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 18:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:39 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 19:45 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:38 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-10 10:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-09 19:49 ` [Ext2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 20:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:57 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 21:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 21:55 ` [Ext2-devel] " Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 23:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 0:45 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 0:47 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 1:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 1:30 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 1:43 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 2:03 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 2:11 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 2:54 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 3:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 12:15 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 14:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 2:58 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 2:26 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 2:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 4:22 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 22:37 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-11 16:02 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-11 16:30 ` Nikita Danilov
2006-06-11 16:55 ` [Ext2-devel] " Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-12 6:35 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-12 22:06 ` [Ext2-devel] " Pavel Machek
2006-06-14 14:31 ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-14 21:34 ` [Ext2-devel] " Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 0:28 ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-15 4:55 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-15 7:43 ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-15 9:15 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 9:40 ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-15 9:50 ` [Ext2-devel] " Pavel Machek
2006-06-09 20:52 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 21:47 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 0:41 ` James Morris
2006-06-09 16:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 20:38 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 15:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:10 ` [Ext2-devel] " Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:24 ` Erik Mouw
2006-06-09 16:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:24 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 16:25 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:50 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:53 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:01 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 17:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 16:48 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:54 ` KELEMEN Peter
2006-06-09 16:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:12 ` [Ext2-devel] " Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 17:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:57 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 20:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:14 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 20:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-19 7:48 ` [Ext2-devel] " Helge Hafting
2006-06-09 20:38 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 20:50 ` Dave Jones
2006-06-09 21:09 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:51 ` Mike Snitzer
2006-06-09 21:32 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 23:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 23:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 23:37 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 23:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 21:03 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 21:24 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:36 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 21:51 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 22:07 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 22:31 ` [Ext2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 22:47 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 23:54 ` [Ext2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 23:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-12 8:58 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-06-10 0:07 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-06-10 0:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:54 ` [Ext2-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 17:04 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 17:30 ` [Ext2-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 17:41 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-06-09 17:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:00 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 18:04 ` [Ext2-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 18:17 ` Michael Poole
2006-06-09 17:44 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 17:58 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2006-06-09 18:10 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 18:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 18:30 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 18:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 18:50 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 19:00 ` Chase Venters
2006-06-10 13:33 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-09 19:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 19:27 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-06-10 19:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10 20:02 ` [Ext2-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10 21:26 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 21:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10 22:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 22:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-11 4:39 ` Stable/devel policy - was Re: [Ext2-devel] " Neil Brown
2006-06-11 5:19 ` Stable/devel policy - was " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-11 7:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-13 0:28 ` Stable/devel policy - was Re: [Ext2-devel] " Mingming Cao
2006-06-09 19:21 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-09 19:13 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 19:24 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:35 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:35 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:44 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 20:49 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 21:11 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:20 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 21:29 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:33 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 21:43 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-11 20:14 ` [Ext2-devel] " grundig
2006-06-14 16:45 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:22 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:16 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 20:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 20:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:43 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:50 ` Diego Calleja
2006-06-09 19:08 ` Diego Calleja
2006-06-09 18:40 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:59 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 19:16 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:27 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 20:44 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-11 15:52 ` [Ext2-devel] " Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-09 18:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:12 ` Jeff Anderson-Lee
2006-06-09 18:02 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-10 19:10 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-06-10 19:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 15:28 ` [Ext2-devel] " Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-06-10 3:26 ` Continuation Inodes Explained! (was Re: [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3) Valerie Henson
2006-06-10 5:25 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 5:41 ` Valerie Henson
2006-06-10 6:22 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 14:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:44 ` [Ext2-devel] [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3 Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:53 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:02 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:04 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:29 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 15:53 ` [Ext2-devel] " Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 16:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 17:58 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 18:25 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-10 13:46 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-10 14:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-10 15:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-11 6:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-10 16:00 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-10 16:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-10 23:05 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-06-13 13:34 ` [Ext2-devel] " Helge Hafting
2006-06-09 20:32 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 20:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 20:56 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-20 6:15 ` [Ext2-devel] " Qi Yong
2006-06-20 8:26 ` Laurent Vivier
2006-06-20 8:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-20 9:21 ` Laurent Vivier
2006-06-20 9:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-20 10:40 ` Laurent Vivier
2006-06-09 17:14 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-09 9:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-09 10:07 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 15:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-06-09 15:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:29 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-09 16:56 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 17:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:35 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 17:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:27 ` [Ext2-devel] " Mike Snitzer
2006-06-09 18:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:22 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:23 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:49 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-09 23:34 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 13:49 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-10 13:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-10 14:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 18:01 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 21:42 ` Sonny Rao
2006-06-09 22:15 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 23:11 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 23:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 3:37 ` Valerie Henson
2006-06-10 3:49 ` Nathan Scott
2006-06-09 18:23 ` Michael Poole
2006-06-09 18:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:42 ` [Ext2-devel] " Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 20:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:08 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 20:10 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:35 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 21:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 21:45 ` [Ext2-devel] " Michael Poole
2006-06-09 21:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:04 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 0:49 ` Sven-Haegar Koch
2006-06-10 1:06 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 14:07 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-06-10 19:52 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 10:49 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 11:26 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 14:23 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 14:33 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 14:34 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 14:35 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 14:57 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:17 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:21 ` Mike Snitzer
2006-06-09 16:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:48 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:33 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:37 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:52 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-09 23:21 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 1:21 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-10 2:09 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 2:45 ` Nicholas Miell
2006-06-10 4:29 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 16:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 17:32 ` [Ext2-devel] " Greg KH
2006-06-09 18:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-30 0:16 ` [RFC][Update 0/16]extents and 48bit ext3/4 patches Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:16 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 1/16]core extent map support Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 2/16]sector_t type format string Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 3/16]convert ext3_fsblk_t to sector_t to support >32 bit block in kernel Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 4/16]support 48 bit blk number in extents Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 5/16]block type convert " Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 6/16]handing unitialized extents Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 7/16]Core 64 bit JBD changes Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 8/16]Avoid potential block overflow when writing journal metadata tags Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 9/16]Fix reading of 32-bit tag descriptors Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 10/16]Cleanup journal_tag_bytes() Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 11/16]JBD layer in-kernel block variables type fixes Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 12/16]Fix undefined ">> 32" in revoke code Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 3:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 13/16] 48 bit on-disk i_file_acl support Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:19 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 14/16] 48bit super block (metadata) changes Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:19 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 15/16] compile warning fix and change 64bit to INCOMPAT feature Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:19 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 16/16]Update ext3 superblock definition Mingming Cao
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