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From: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
To: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Rob Ross <rross@mcs.anl.gov>,
	Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>,
	Sage Weil <sage@newdream.net>, Brad Boyer <flar@allandria.com>,
	Anton Altaparmakov <aia21@cam.ac.uk>,
	Gary Grider <ggrider@lanl.gov>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:19:44 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4576FBB0.2070704@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061206100614.GX5937@schatzie.adilger.int>

Andreas Dilger wrote:
> Does this mean you are against the statlite() API entirely, or only against
> the document's use of the flag as a vague "accuracy" value instead of a
> hard "valid" value?

I'm against fuzzy values.  I've no problems with a bitmap specifying 
that certain members are not wanted or wanted (probably the later, zero 
meaning the optional fields are not wanted).


> IMHO, if the application doesn't need a particular field (e.g. "ls -i"
> doesn't need size, "ls -s" doesn't need the inode number, etc) why should
> these be filled in if they are not easily accessible?  As for what is
> easily accessible, that needs to be determined by the filesystem itself.

Is the size not easily accessible?  It would surprise me.  If yes, then, 
by all means add it to the list.  I'm not against extending the list of 
members which are optional if it makes sense.  But certain information 
is certainly always easily accessible.


> That was previously suggested by me already.  IMHO, there should ONLY be
> a statlite variant of readdirplus(), and I think most people agree with
> that part of it (though there is contention on whether readdirplus() is
> needed at all).

Indeed.  Given there is statlite and we have d_type information, in most 
situations we won't need more complete stat information.  Outside of 
programs like ls that is.


Part of why I wished the lab guys had submitted the draft to the 
OpenGroup first is that this way they would have to be more detailed on 
why each and every interface they propose for adding is really needed. 
Maybe they can do it now and here.  What programs really require 
readdirplus?

-- 
➧ Ulrich Drepper ➧ Red Hat, Inc. ➧ 444 Castro St ➧ Mountain View, CA ❖
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  reply	other threads:[~2006-12-06 17:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-11-28  4:34 NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards Gary Grider
2006-11-28  5:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-11-28 10:54   ` Andreas Dilger
2006-11-28 11:28     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2006-11-28 20:17     ` Russell Cattelan
2006-11-28 23:28     ` Wendy Cheng
2006-11-29  9:12       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-11-29  9:04   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-11-29  9:14     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-11-29  9:48     ` Andreas Dilger
2006-11-29 10:18       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2006-11-29  8:26         ` Brad Boyer
2006-11-30  9:25           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-11-30 17:49             ` Sage Weil
2006-12-01  5:26               ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-01  7:08                 ` Sage Weil
2006-12-01 14:41                   ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-01 16:47                     ` Sage Weil
2006-12-01 18:07                       ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-01 18:42                         ` Sage Weil
2006-12-01 19:13                           ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-01 20:32                             ` Sage Weil
2006-12-04 18:02                           ` Peter Staubach
2006-12-05 23:20                             ` readdirplus() as possible POSIX I/O API Sage Weil
2006-12-06 15:48                               ` Peter Staubach
2006-12-03  1:57                         ` NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards Andreas Dilger
2006-12-03  7:34                           ` Kari Hurtta
2006-12-03  1:52                     ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-03 16:10                       ` Sage Weil
2006-12-04  7:32                         ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-04 15:15                           ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-05  0:59                             ` Rob Ross
2006-12-05  4:44                               ` Gary Grider
2006-12-05 10:05                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-05  5:56                               ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-05 10:07                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-05 14:20                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 15:04                                     ` Rob Ross
2006-12-06 15:44                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 16:15                                         ` Rob Ross
2006-12-05 14:55                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-05 22:11                                     ` Rob Ross
2006-12-05 23:24                                       ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-06 16:42                                         ` Rob Ross
2006-12-06 12:22                                     ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2006-12-06 15:14                                       ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-05 16:55                                   ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-05 22:12                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-06 23:12                                       ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-06 23:33                                         ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-05 21:50                                   ` Rob Ross
2006-12-05 22:05                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-05 23:18                                       ` Sage Weil
2006-12-05 23:55                                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-06 10:06                                         ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-06 17:19                                           ` Ulrich Drepper [this message]
2006-12-06 17:27                                             ` Rob Ross
2006-12-06 17:42                                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-06 18:01                                                 ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2006-12-06 18:13                                                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-17 14:41                                                     ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2006-12-17 19:07                                                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-17 19:38                                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-17 21:51                                                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-18  2:57                                                             ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2006-12-18  3:54                                                               ` Gary Grider
2006-12-07  5:57                                                 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-15 22:37                                                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-16 18:13                                                     ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-16 19:08                                                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-14 23:58                                         ` statlite() Rob Ross
2006-12-07 23:39                                       ` NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards Nikita Danilov
2006-12-05 14:37                               ` Peter Staubach
2006-12-05 10:26                             ` readdirplus() as possible POSIX I/O API Andreas Dilger
2006-12-05 15:23                               ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-06 10:28                                 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-06 15:10                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-05 17:06                               ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-05 22:48                                 ` Rob Ross
2006-11-29 10:25       ` NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards Steven Whitehouse
2006-11-30 12:29         ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-01 15:52       ` Ric Wheeler
2006-11-29 12:23     ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-11-29 12:35       ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-11-29 16:26         ` Gary Grider
2006-11-29 17:18           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-11-29 12:39       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-01 22:29         ` Rob Ross
2006-12-02  2:35           ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-05  0:37             ` Rob Ross
2006-12-05 10:02               ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-05 16:47               ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-05 17:01                 ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]                   ` <f158dc670612050909m366594c5ubaa87d9a9ecc8c2a@mail.gmail.com>
2006-12-05 17:10                     ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-05 17:39                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-05 21:55                       ` Rob Ross
2006-12-05 21:50                   ` Peter Staubach
2006-12-05 21:44                 ` Rob Ross
2006-12-06 11:01                   ` openg Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-06 15:41                     ` openg Trond Myklebust
2006-12-06 15:42                     ` openg Rob Ross
2006-12-06 23:32                       ` openg Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-14 23:36                         ` openg Rob Ross
2006-12-06 23:25                   ` Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-06  9:48                 ` David Chinner
2006-12-06 15:53                   ` openg and path_to_handle Rob Ross
2006-12-06 16:04                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 16:20                       ` Rob Ross
2006-12-06 20:57                         ` David Chinner
2006-12-06 20:40                     ` David Chinner
2006-12-06 20:50                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 21:09                         ` David Chinner
2006-12-06 22:09                         ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-06 22:17                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 22:41                             ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-06 23:39                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-14 22:52                             ` Rob Ross
2006-12-06 20:50                       ` Rob Ross
2006-12-06 21:01                         ` David Chinner
2006-12-06 23:19                     ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-14 21:00                       ` Rob Ross
2006-12-14 21:20                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-14 23:02                           ` Rob Ross
2006-11-28 15:08 ` NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards Matthew Wilcox

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