From: Ric Wheeler <ric@emc.com>
To: Alan <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Linux-ide <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-scsi <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>,
Mark Lord <mlord@pobox.com>, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
"Clark, Nathan" <Clark_Nathan@emc.com>,
"Singh, Arvinder" <Singh_Arvinder@emc.com>,
"De Smet, Jochen" <DeSmet_Jochen@emc.com>,
"Farmer, Matt" <Farmer_Matt@emc.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, "Mizar,
Sunita" <Mizar_Sunita@emc.com>
Subject: Re: end to end error recovery musings
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:18:22 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <45E2FA3E.3040201@emc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070226151507.13a1701e@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Alan wrote:
>> the new location. I believe this should be always true, so presumably
>> with all modern disk drives a write error should mean something very
>> serious has happend.
>
> Not quite that simple.
I think that write errors are normally quite serious, but there are exceptions
which might be able to be worked around with retries. To Ted's point, in
general, a write to a bad spot on the media will cause a remapping which should
be transparent (if a bit slow) to us.
>
> If you write a block aligned size the same size as the physical media
> block size maybe this is true. If you write a sector on a device with
> physical sector size larger than logical block size (as allowed by say
> ATA7) then it's less clear what happens. I don't know if the drive
> firmware implements multiple "tails" in this case.
>
> On a read error it is worth trying the other parts of the I/O.
>
I think that this is mostly true, but we also need to balance this against the
need for higher levels to get a timely response. In a really large IO, a naive
retry of a very large write could lead to a non-responsive system for a very
large time...
ric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-02-26 15:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-02-23 14:15 end to end error recovery musings Ric Wheeler
2007-02-24 0:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-02-24 0:37 ` Andreas Dilger
2007-02-24 2:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-02-24 2:32 ` Theodore Tso
2007-02-24 18:39 ` Chris Wedgwood
2007-02-26 5:33 ` Neil Brown
2007-02-26 13:25 ` Theodore Tso
2007-02-26 15:15 ` Alan
2007-02-26 15:18 ` Ric Wheeler [this message]
2007-02-26 17:01 ` Alan
2007-02-26 16:42 ` Ric Wheeler
2007-02-26 15:17 ` James Bottomley
2007-02-26 18:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-02-26 22:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-02-26 22:53 ` Ric Wheeler
2007-02-27 1:19 ` Alan
2007-02-26 6:01 ` Douglas Gilbert
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-02-27 1:10 Moore, Eric
2007-02-27 16:50 ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-27 18:51 ` Ric Wheeler
2007-02-27 19:02 ` Alan
2007-02-27 18:39 ` Andreas Dilger
2007-02-27 19:07 ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-27 23:39 ` Alan
2007-02-27 22:51 ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-28 13:46 ` Douglas Gilbert
2007-02-28 17:16 ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-28 17:30 ` James Bottomley
2007-02-28 17:42 ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-28 17:52 ` James Bottomley
2007-03-01 1:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-03-01 14:25 ` James Bottomley
2007-03-01 17:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-02-28 15:19 ` Moore, Eric
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