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From: Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>
To: device-mapper development <dm-devel@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org,
	David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Re: [RFD] BIO_RW_BARRIER - what it means for devices, filesystems, and dm/md.
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:49:39 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4656F783.3000603@cfl.rr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070525114910.GQ7653@kernel.dk>

Jens Axboe wrote:
> A barrier write will include a flush, but it may also use the FUA bit to
> ensure data is on platter. So the only situation where a fallback from a
> barrier to flush would be valid, is if the device lied and told you it
> could do FUA but it could not and that is the reason why the barrier
> write failed. If that is the case, the block layer should stop using FUA
> and fallback to flush-write-flush. And if it does that, then there's
> never a valid reason to switch from using barrier writes to
> blkdev_issue_flush() since both methods would either both work or both
> fail.

IIRC, the FUA bit only forces THAT request to hit the platter before it 
is completed; it does not flush any previous requests still sitting in 
the write back queue.  Because all io before the barrier must be on the 
platter as well, setting the FUA bit on the barrier request means you 
don't have to follow it with a flush, but you still have to precede it 
with a flush.

> It's not block layer breakage, it's a device issue.

How isn't it block layer breakage?  If the device does not support 
barriers, isn't it the job of the block layer ( probably the scheduler ) 
to fall back to flush-write-flush?

  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-25 14:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-25  7:58 [RFD] BIO_RW_BARRIER - what it means for devices, filesystems, and dm/md Neil Brown
2007-05-25 11:15 ` David Chinner
2007-05-25 11:49   ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-25 14:49     ` Phillip Susi [this message]
2007-05-28 18:32       ` [dm-devel] " Jens Axboe
2007-05-25 13:52 ` Stefan Bader
2007-05-28  1:37   ` Neil Brown
2007-05-29  9:12     ` Stefan Bader
2007-05-25 15:11 ` Phillip Susi
2007-05-26  1:03 ` Andreas Dilger
2007-05-26 10:27 ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-28  1:30 ` Neil Brown
2007-05-28  2:45   ` David Chinner
2007-05-28  2:57     ` Neil Brown
2007-05-28  4:29       ` David Chinner
2007-05-31  0:46         ` Neil Brown
2007-05-31  0:57           ` Alasdair G Kergon
2007-05-31  1:07           ` Alasdair G Kergon
2007-05-31  1:11             ` David Chinner
2007-05-28  4:48     ` Timothy Shimmin
2007-05-29  6:45       ` Jeremy Higdon
2007-05-29 20:03     ` Phillip Susi
2007-05-29 23:48       ` David Chinner
2007-05-30  0:01         ` david
2007-05-30  6:17           ` David Chinner
2007-05-30  8:55             ` Stefan Bader
2007-05-30 16:52             ` david
2007-05-31  0:20               ` David Chinner
2007-05-31  6:26                 ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-31  7:03                   ` David Chinner
2007-05-31  7:06                     ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-31 13:30                       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-05-31 13:36                         ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-01 16:04                           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-02 14:51                             ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-02 19:55                               ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-01  3:16                       ` Tejun Heo
2007-06-01  8:21                         ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-02  9:20                           ` Tejun Heo
2007-06-02 14:34                             ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-02 22:57                               ` Guy Watkins
2007-06-04  7:39                               ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-31 18:31                     ` Phillip Susi
2007-05-31 19:00                       ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-31 19:21                         ` david
2007-05-31 19:40                           ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-31 23:34                       ` David Chinner
2007-06-01  5:59                         ` Neil Brown
2007-06-01  6:11                           ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-01  7:53                           ` David Chinner
2007-06-01 23:56                           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-05-31 18:24                 ` Phillip Susi
2007-05-30 16:45         ` Phillip Susi
2007-05-30 20:27           ` [dm-devel] " Phillip Susi
2007-05-31  6:24             ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-31 18:37               ` [dm-devel] " Phillip Susi
2007-05-31 18:58                 ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-02  0:04                   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-05-28  9:29   ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-28  9:43   ` Alasdair G Kergon
2007-05-29  9:25     ` [dm-devel] " Stefan Bader
2007-05-29 22:05       ` Alasdair G Kergon
2007-05-30  9:12         ` [dm-devel] " Stefan Bader
2007-05-30 10:41           ` Alasdair G Kergon
2007-05-30 16:55           ` Phillip Susi
2007-05-31 11:14             ` [dm-devel] " Stefan Bader
2007-06-01  3:25               ` Tejun Heo
2007-06-01  5:55                 ` david
2007-06-01  7:16                   ` [dm-devel] " Tejun Heo
2007-06-01 17:07                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-06-01 18:09                       ` Tejun Heo
2007-07-10 18:39                     ` Ric Wheeler
2007-07-10 23:40                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-07-11  2:49                         ` Tejun Heo
2007-07-11 22:44                         ` Ric Wheeler
2007-07-12 17:34                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-07-12 19:43                             ` Ric Wheeler
2007-07-12 23:10                             ` Guy Watkins
2007-07-13 11:30                               ` Ric Wheeler
2007-07-11  2:51                       ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-29 19:59   ` Phillip Susi
2007-05-31  0:22     ` Neil Brown
2007-05-30  9:35   ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-05 12:28     ` Tejun Heo
2007-07-09 12:27       ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-18 10:56     ` [PATCH] block: cosmetic changes Tejun Heo
2007-07-18 10:59       ` [PATCH] block: factor out bio_check_eod() Tejun Heo
2007-07-18 11:06         ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-18 11:18           ` Tejun Heo
2007-07-18 11:31             ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-18 11:33               ` Tejun Heo
2007-07-18 11:34                 ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-18 11:41                   ` Tejun Heo
2007-07-18 11:45                     ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-18 11:49                       ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-18 12:34                         ` Tejun Heo
2007-07-18 12:31                       ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-28 11:17 ` [RFD] BIO_RW_BARRIER - what it means for devices, filesystems, and dm/md Nikita Danilov
2007-05-31  3:31   ` Neil Brown
2007-05-28 14:43 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-05-31  0:37   ` Neil Brown
2007-05-31 12:28     ` Bill Davidsen

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