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From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: "David Woodhouse" <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	"Kyle Moffett" <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>,
	"John Stoffel" <john@stoffel.org>, "Willy Tarreau" <w@1wt.eu>,
	"Evgeniy Polyakov" <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>, CaT <cat@zip.com.au>,
	"Ondrej Zajicek" <santiago@crfreenet.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Jan Engelhardt" <jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Dongjun Shin" <djshin90@gmail.com>,
	"Pekka Enberg" <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
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	"Artem Bityutskiy" <dedekind@infradead.org>,
	"Sam Ravnborg" <sam@ravnborg.org>,
	"Jamie Lokier" <jamie@shareable.org>,
	"Roland Dreier" <rdreier@cisco.com>,
	"Jörn Engel" <joern@lazybastard.org>,
	"Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	"Ulisses Furquim" <ulissesf@gmail.com>,
	akpm@osdl.org, "David Weinehall" <tao@acc.umu.se>
Subject: Re: [Patch 04/18] include/linux/logfs.h
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:39:22 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4665C9FA.5060207@tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18f622d94e9273fe6c93ef091fcec87c@kernel.crashing.org>

Segher Boessenkool wrote:
>> It would be better if GCC had a 'nopadding' attribute which gave us what
>> we need without the _extra_ implications about alignment.
>
> That's impossible; removing the padding from a struct
> _will_ make accesses to its members unaligned (think
> about arrays of that struct).
And many platforms happily support unaligned CPU access in hardware at a 
price in performance, while other support it in software at great cost 
in performance. None of that maps into impossible, Some i/o hardware may 
not support at all and require some bounce buffering, at cost in memory 
and CPU.

None of that equates with impossible. It is readily argued that it could 
mean inadvisable on some architectures, slow as government assistance 
and ugly as the north end of a south-bound hedgehog, but it's not 
impossible.

Do NOT take this to mean I think it would be a good thing in a Linux 
kernel, or that it should be added to gcc, but in some use like embedded 
applications where memory use is an important cost driver, people are 
probably doing it already by hand to pack struct arrays into minimal 
bytes. It's neither impossible nor totally useless.

-- 
bill davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
  CTO TMR Associates, Inc
  Doing interesting things with small computers since 1979


  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-06-05 20:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-03 18:38 LogFS take four Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:40 ` [Patch 01/18] fs/Kconfig Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:40 ` [Patch 02/18] fs/Makefile Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:41 ` [Patch 03/18] fs/logfs/Makefile Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:42 ` [Patch 04/18] include/linux/logfs.h Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 21:42   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-04  9:12     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-04 13:38       ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-04 14:02         ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-05 15:49         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-06-05 15:53           ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-05 18:49             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-06-06  8:50               ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-06  8:59                 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-06-06 12:42                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-05 20:39           ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2007-06-03 18:43 ` [Patch 05/18] fs/logfs/logfs.h Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 21:50   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-04  8:17     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-04  9:11     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-06 11:29   ` Paulo Marques
2007-06-06 11:29     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:43 ` [Patch 06/18] fs/logfs/compr.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 21:58   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-04  8:54     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-04 13:53       ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-03 18:44 ` [Patch 07/18] fs/logfs/dir.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-15  8:59   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-06-15 11:57     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:45 ` [Patch 08/18] fs/logfs/file.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:46 ` [Patch 09/18] fs/logfs/gc.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 22:07   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-04  9:01     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-15  9:03   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-06-15 11:14     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-15 13:03       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-06-03 18:46 ` [Patch 10/18] fs/logfs/inode.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-10 17:24   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-10 17:40     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-11 23:28     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-11 23:51       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-11 23:57         ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:47 ` [Patch 11/18] fs/logfs/journal.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:47 ` [Patch 12/18] fs/logfs/memtree.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:48 ` [Patch 13/18] fs/logfs/readwrite.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:48 ` [Patch 14/18] fs/logfs/segment.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 22:21   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-04  9:07     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:49 ` [Patch 15/18] fs/logfs/super.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-10 16:27   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-10 17:38     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-10 18:33       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-10 19:10         ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-10 19:20           ` Willy Tarreau
2007-06-03 18:50 ` [Patch 16/18] fs/logfs/progs/fsck.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:50 ` [Patch 17/18] fs/logfs/progs/mkfs.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:51 ` [Patch 18/18] fs/logfs/Locking Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 19:17 ` LogFS take four Jan-Benedict Glaw
2007-06-03 19:19   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 22:18 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-04  9:05   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-15  8:37 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-06-15 11:10   ` Jörn Engel

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