From: Jack Stone <jack@hawkeye.stone.uk.eu.org>
To: Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>
Cc: alan <alan@clueserver.org>,
hpa@zytor.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: Versioning file system
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:54:05 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4676563D.2010402@hawkeye.stone.uk.eu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070618094524.GF5181@schatzie.adilger.int>
Andreas Dilger wrote:
> Too bad everyone is spending time on 10 similar-but-slightly-different
> filesystems. This will likely end up with a bunch of filesystems that
> implement some easy subset of features, but will not get polished for
> users or have a full set of features implemented (e.g. ACL, quota, fsck,
> etc). While I don't think there is a single answer to every question,
> it does seem that the number of filesystem projects has climbed lately.
>
> Maybe there should be a BOF at OLS to merge these filesystem projects
> (btrfs, chunkfs, tilefs, logfs, etc) into a single project with multiple
> people working on getting it solid, scalable (parallel readers/writers on
> lots of CPUs), robust (checksums, failure localization), recoverable, etc.
> I thought Val's FS summits were designed to get developers to collaborate,
> but it seems everyone has gone back to their corners to work on their own
> filesystem?
>
> Working on getting hooks into DM/MD so that the filesystem and RAID layers
> can move beyond "ignorance is bliss" when talking to each other would be
> great. Not rebuilding empty parts of the fs, limit parity resync to parts
> of the fs that were in the previous transaction, use fs-supplied checksums
> to verify on-disk data is correct, use RAID geometry when doing allocations,
> etc.
How many of these feature could be (at least partially) implemented in
the core code so that it was easier to port filesystems to use them.
Certainly versioning should be able to be implemented, possible without
any FS support at all, in the core code. Centralising the
implementations could allow a great deal of FS
custiomisation/improvements with very little new per FS code.
Jack
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-06-18 9:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-06-15 22:23 Versioning file system Jack Stone
2007-06-15 22:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-15 22:51 ` alan
2007-06-15 22:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-15 23:06 ` alan
2007-06-16 8:11 ` Jack Stone
2007-06-16 9:46 ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2007-06-16 10:12 ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2007-06-16 13:15 ` Mark Williamson
2007-06-16 19:57 ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2007-06-16 16:49 ` Jan Harkes
2007-06-16 20:03 ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2007-06-16 19:38 ` Jack Stone
2007-06-16 20:08 ` Alan Cox
2007-06-16 21:25 ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2007-06-16 20:39 ` Jan Harkes
2007-06-16 20:43 ` Jack Stone
2007-06-16 22:17 ` Alan Cox
2007-06-17 2:18 ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2007-06-17 2:39 ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2007-06-17 22:11 ` Dale Amon
2007-06-16 21:06 ` Dale Amon
2007-06-16 14:53 ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-18 9:45 ` Andreas Dilger
2007-06-18 9:54 ` Jack Stone [this message]
2007-06-18 10:13 ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-18 14:01 ` Theodore Tso
2007-06-18 16:16 ` alan
2007-06-18 17:29 ` Theodore Tso
2007-06-18 17:33 ` Jeremy Allison
2007-06-18 20:30 ` Theodore Tso
2007-06-18 20:50 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-06-18 17:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-04 17:32 ` Erik Mouw
2007-07-04 20:47 ` Theodore Tso
2007-07-05 17:55 ` Erik Mouw
2007-07-05 13:57 ` John Stoffel
2007-07-05 14:23 ` Chris Mason
2007-07-05 17:57 ` Erik Mouw
2007-06-18 15:32 ` Chris Mason
2007-06-18 23:18 ` Bron Gondwana
2007-09-29 17:44 ` Sorin Faibish
2007-06-18 15:51 ` Bryan Henderson
2007-06-18 16:37 ` Jack Stone
2007-06-18 16:56 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-18 17:56 ` Bryan Henderson
2007-06-19 3:10 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-19 7:49 ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 7:58 ` Bron Gondwana
2007-06-20 2:43 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-19 9:09 ` Martin Langhoff
2007-06-19 16:52 ` Jakub Narebski
2007-06-15 22:52 ` Chris Snook
2007-06-16 8:25 ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 18:03 ` Chris Snook
2007-06-19 19:06 ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 20:03 ` Chris Snook
2007-06-19 20:08 ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 20:15 ` Chris Snook
2007-06-19 20:27 ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 20:34 ` John Stoffel
2007-06-19 20:38 ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 20:38 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-06-19 21:02 ` John Stoffel
2007-06-19 19:08 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-19 19:12 ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 19:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-19 19:22 ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 20:10 ` Chris Snook
2007-06-19 20:14 ` Jack Stone
2007-06-19 20:31 ` Chris Snook
2007-06-20 8:34 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-06-19 21:50 ` Alan Cox
2007-06-19 22:07 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-20 8:05 ` Ph. Marek
2007-06-19 20:43 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-19 22:07 ` david
2007-06-19 22:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-19 23:07 ` Jan Harkes
2007-06-19 23:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-19 22:21 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-19 23:35 ` Bryan Henderson
2007-06-20 0:27 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-06-20 5:00 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-20 17:04 ` Bryan Henderson
2007-06-20 17:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-20 17:33 ` Chris Snook
2007-06-15 22:57 ` Kok, Auke
2007-06-15 23:01 ` alan
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2007-06-18 20:54 ` Bodo Eggert
2007-06-18 21:08 ` alan
2007-06-18 21:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-18 21:34 ` Jeremy Allison
2007-06-18 22:10 ` Theodore Tso
2007-06-18 22:26 ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-18 21:24 ` Brad Boyer
2007-06-19 3:15 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-18 22:34 ` Jeremy Allison
2007-06-18 22:56 ` alan
2007-06-19 7:01 ` Theodore Tso
2007-06-18 22:48 ` Jeremy Allison
2007-06-18 23:00 ` alan
2007-06-19 7:05 ` Theodore Tso
2007-06-19 16:52 ` Jeremy Allison
2007-06-19 16:56 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-18 22:47 ` alan
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