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From: Oren Laadan <orenl@cs.columbia.edu>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux Containers <containers@lists.osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 1/2] [RFC] Simple tamper-proof device filesystem.
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:39:47 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <476724E3.6060901@cs.columbia.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071218003955.GA27048@sergelap.austin.ibm.com>


I hate to bring this again, but what if the admin in the container
mounts an external file system (eg. nfs, usb, loop mount from a file,
or via fuse), and that file system already has a device that we would
like to ban inside that container ?

Since anyway we will have to keep a white- (or black-) list of devices
that are permitted in a container, and that list may change even change
per container -- why not enforce the access control at the VFS layer ?
It's safer in the long run.

Oren.

Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> Quoting Tetsuo Handa (penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp):
>> Hello.
>>
>> Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
>>> CAP_MKNOD will be removed from its capability
>> I think it is not enough because the root can rename/unlink device files
>> (mv /dev/sda1 /dev/tmp; mv /dev/sda2 /dev/sda1; mv /dev/tmp /dev/sda2).
> 
> Sure but that doesn't bother us :)
> 
> The admin in the container has his own /dev directory and can do what he
> likes with the devices he's allowed to have.  He just shouldn't have
> access to others.  If he wants to rename /dev/sda1 to /dev/sda5 that's
> his choice.
> 
>>> To use your approach, i guess we would have to use selinux (or tomoyo)
>>> to enforce that devices may only be created under /dev?
>> Everyone can use this filesystem alone.
> 
> Sure but it is worthless alone.
> 
> No?
> 
> What will keep the container admin from doing 'mknod /root/hda1 b 3 1'?
> 
>> But use with MAC (or whatever access control mechanisms that prevent
>> attackers from unmounting/overlaying this filesystem) is recomennded.
> 
> -serge
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  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-18  1:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20071216080441.435456586@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
     [not found] ` <20071216080628.061470932@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
2007-12-16 10:44   ` [patch 0/2] [RFC] Simple tamper-proof device filesystem Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-16 10:56     ` [patch 1/2] " Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-06 15:29       ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-18 15:55         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-12-18 16:43           ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-16 11:21       ` David Newall
2007-12-16 11:26         ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-16 11:31           ` David Newall
2007-12-16 11:36             ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-16 11:58               ` David Newall
2007-12-16 12:03                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-16 12:14                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-17  6:00                     ` David Newall
2007-12-18 15:33                       ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2007-12-16 16:52                   ` Indan Zupancic
2007-12-16 19:48                     ` Al Viro
2007-12-17  0:40                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-17 11:44                       ` Indan Zupancic
2007-12-17 12:59                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-17 13:05                         ` Al Boldi
2007-12-17 13:16                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-18 15:22                           ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2007-12-19 12:11                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-19 19:14                               ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2007-12-17 13:32                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-17  6:42                     ` penguin-kernel
2007-12-17 19:48       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]         ` <20071217194802.GA14156-6s5zFf/epYLPQpwDFJZrxKsjOiXwFzmk@public.gmane.org>
2007-12-18  0:03           ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-18  0:39             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-18  1:39               ` Oren Laadan [this message]
2007-12-18  2:09                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-18  3:04                   ` Oren Laadan
2007-12-19  9:43                     ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-12-19 14:10                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-20  0:07                         ` Oren Laadan
2007-12-20  7:42                           ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-12-20 14:09                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                             ` <476A1CE0.30505-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-12-21  1:47                               ` Oren Laadan
2007-12-19 14:13                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-18  1:55               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-18  2:26                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-18  2:53                   ` serge
2007-12-18  3:40                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-19 23:43       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-24 13:09         ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-16 11:03     ` [patch 2/2] " Tetsuo Handa

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