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From: Ric Wheeler <ric@emc.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Chris Wedgwood <cw@f00f.org>
Subject: Re: Proposal for "proper" durable fsync() and fdatasync()
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:13:29 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47C40269.7060309@emc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47C3C33F.1070908@garzik.org>

Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Jamie Lokier wrote:
>> By durable, I mean that fsync() should actually commit writes to
>> physical stable storage,
> 
> Yes, it should.
> 
> 
>> I was surprised that fsync() doesn't do this already.  There was a lot
>> of effort put into block I/O write barriers during 2.5, so that
>> journalling filesystems can force correct write ordering, using disk
>> flush cache commands.
>>
>> After all that effort, I was very surprised to notice that Linux 2.6.x
>> doesn't use that capability to ensure fsync() flushes the disk cache
>> onto stable storage.
> 
> It's surprising you are surprised, given that this [lame] fsync behavior 
> has remaining consistently lame throughout Linux's history.

Maybe I am confused, but isn't this is what fsync() does today whenever 
barriers are enabled (the fsync() invalidates the drive's write cache).

ric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-02-26 15:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-26  7:26 Proposal for "proper" durable fsync() and fdatasync() Jamie Lokier
2008-02-26  7:43 ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-26  7:59   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-02-26  9:16     ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-26 14:09       ` Jörn Engel
2008-02-26 15:07         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-02-26 16:27           ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-26 15:28         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-02-26 17:02           ` Jörn Engel
2008-02-26 17:29             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-02-26 17:38               ` Jörn Engel
2008-02-26 16:43       ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-26 17:00         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-02-26 17:54           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-27 14:16             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-02-26  7:43 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-26  7:55   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-02-26  9:25   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-02-26 12:13   ` Ric Wheeler [this message]
2008-02-26 15:43     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-11-24 21:10       ` Sachin Gaikwad
2008-11-25 10:17         ` Jamie Lokier

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