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From: Ric Wheeler <ric@emc.com>
To: David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>
Cc: Josef Bacik <jbacik@redhat.com>, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	adilger@sun.com, jack@ucw.cz, "Feld, Andy" <Feld_Andy@emc.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: background on the ext3 batching performance issue
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:48:50 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47C71022.5070608@emc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080228175422.GU155259@sgi.com>

David Chinner wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 08:09:57AM -0500, Ric Wheeler wrote:
>> One more thought - what we really want here is to have a sense of the 
>> latency of the device. In the S-ATA disk case, this optimization works 
>> well for batching since we "spend" an extra 4ms worst case in the chance 
>> of combining multiple, slow 18ms operations.
>>
>> With the clariion box we tested, the optimization fails badly since the 
>> cost is only 1.3 ms so we optimize by waiting 3-4 times longer than it 
>> would take to do the operation immediately.
>>
>> This problem has also seemed to me to be the same problem that IO 
>> schedulers do with plugging - we want to dynamically figure out when to 
>> plug and unplug here without hard coding in device specific tunings.
>>
>> If we bypass the snippet for multi-threaded writers, we would probably 
>> slow down this workload on normal S-ATA/ATA drives (or even higher 
>> performance non-RAID disks).
> 
> It's the self-tuning aspect of this problem that makes it hard. In
> the case of XFS, the way this tuning is done is that we look at the
> state of the previous log I/O buffer to check if it is still syncing
> to disk. If it is sync to disk, we go to sleep waiting for that log
> buffer I/O to complete. This holds the current buffer open to
> aggregate more transactions before syncing it to disk and hence
> allows parallel fsyncs to be issued in the one log write. The fact
> that it waits for the previous log I/O to complete means it
> self-tunes to the latency of the underlying storage medium.....
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dave.

With the experiments we ran before, the heuristic did eventually start 
helping when we hit really high numbers of concurrent writing threads on 
the Clariion box. I forget how many, but it was at least 12 or so.

ric



  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-28 22:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-28 12:09 background on the ext3 batching performance issue Ric Wheeler
2008-02-28 15:05 ` Josef Bacik
2008-02-28 15:41   ` Josef Bacik
2008-02-28 13:03     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-02-28 13:09     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-02-28 16:41       ` Jan Kara
2008-02-28 17:02       ` Chris Mason
2008-02-28 17:13         ` Jan Kara
2008-02-28 17:35           ` Chris Mason
2008-02-28 18:15             ` Jan Kara
2008-02-28 17:54       ` David Chinner
2008-02-28 19:48         ` Ric Wheeler [this message]
2008-02-29 14:52         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-05 19:19         ` some hard numbers on ext3 & " Ric Wheeler
2008-03-05 20:20           ` Josef Bacik
2008-03-07 20:08             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-07 20:40               ` Josef Bacik
2008-03-07 20:45                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-12 18:37                   ` Josef Bacik
2008-03-13 11:26                     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-06  0:28           ` David Chinner

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