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From: Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Black_David@emc.com,
	"Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	Tom Coughlan <coughlan@redhat.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: thin provisioned LUN support
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:00:50 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <491314B2.9040902@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0811061519350.3431@Nokia-N800-26>

David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, James Bottomley wrote:
>> The way to do this properly would be to run a chequerboard of partials,
>> but this would effectively have trim region tracking done in the block
>> layer ... is this worth it?
>>
>> By the way, the latest (from 2 days ago) version of the Thin
>> Provisioning proposal is here:
>>
>> http://www.t10.org/ftp/t10/document.08/08-149r4.pdf
>>
>> I skimmed it but don't see any update implying that trim might be
>> ineffective if we align wrongly ... where is this?
>
> I think we should be content to declare such devices 'broken'.
>
> They have to keep track of individual sectors _anyway_, and dropping 
> information for small discard requests is just careless.
>

Big arrays have an internal "track" size that is much larger than 512 
bytes (Symm for example is 64k. Everything smaller than that is a 
read-modify-write. Effectively, they have few to no bits left to track 
this other bit of state at the smal level of granularity.

The thing that makes this even more twisted is that the erase/unmap 
chunk size is a multiple of the internal size (which would already be an 
issue :-))

Ric


  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-06 16:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-06 14:43 thin provisioned LUN support Ric Wheeler
2008-11-06 15:17 ` James Bottomley
2008-11-06 15:24   ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-06 16:00     ` Ric Wheeler [this message]
2008-11-06 16:40       ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-11-06 17:04         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-06 17:15     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07 12:05     ` Jens Axboe
2008-11-07 12:14       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 12:17         ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-07 12:19         ` Jens Axboe
2008-11-07 14:26           ` thin provisioned LUN support & file system allocation policy Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 14:34             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07 14:45               ` Jörn Engel
2008-11-07 14:43             ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 14:54               ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 15:26                 ` jim owens
2008-11-07 15:31                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-07 15:35                     ` jim owens
2008-11-07 15:46                       ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 15:51                         ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-11-07 16:06                           ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 15:56                         ` James Bottomley
2008-11-07 15:36                     ` James Bottomley
2008-11-07 15:48                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-07 15:36                   ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 15:45                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07 16:07                       ` jim owens
2008-11-07 16:12                         ` James Bottomley
2008-11-07 16:23                           ` jim owens
2008-11-07 16:02                   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 14:55               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07 15:20         ` thin provisioned LUN support James Bottomley
2008-11-09 23:08           ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-09 23:37             ` James Bottomley
2008-11-10  0:33               ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-10 14:31                 ` James Bottomley
2008-11-07 15:49       ` Chris Mason
2008-11-07 16:00         ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-11-07 16:06           ` James Bottomley
2008-11-07 16:11             ` Chris Mason
2008-11-07 16:18               ` James Bottomley
2008-11-07 16:22                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 16:27                   ` James Bottomley
2008-11-07 16:28                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-07 17:22                 ` Chris Mason
2008-11-07 18:09                   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 18:36                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 18:41                       ` Ric Wheeler
     [not found]                       ` <49148BDF.9050707@redhat.com>
2008-11-07 19:35                         ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 19:55                           ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-11-07 20:19                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 20:21                               ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]                               ` <20081107202149.GJ15439@parisc-linux.org>
2008-11-07 20:26                                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 20:48                                   ` Chris Mason
2008-11-07 21:04                                     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 21:13                                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 20:42                                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 21:06                               ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-11-07 20:37                             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-10  2:44                               ` Black_David
2008-11-10  2:36                           ` Black_David
2008-11-07 19:44                       ` jim owens
2008-11-07 19:48                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07 19:50                         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-09 23:36           ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-10  3:40             ` Thin provisioning & arrays Black_David
2008-11-10  8:31               ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-10  9:59                 ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-10 13:30                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-10 13:36                     ` Jens Axboe
2008-11-10 17:05                   ` UNMAP is a hint Black_David
2008-11-10 17:30                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-10 17:56                       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-10 22:18                   ` Thin provisioning & arrays Dave Chinner
2008-11-11  1:23                     ` Black_David
2008-11-11  2:09                       ` Keith Owens
2008-11-11 13:59                         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-11 14:55                           ` jim owens
2008-11-11 15:38                             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-11 15:59                               ` jim owens
2008-11-11 16:25                                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-11 16:53                                   ` jim owens
2008-11-11 23:08                             ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-11 23:52                               ` jim owens
2008-11-11 22:49                       ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-06 15:27 ` thin provisioned LUN support jim owens
2008-11-06 15:57   ` jim owens
2008-11-06 16:21     ` James Bottomley
     [not found] ` <yq1d4h8nao5.fsf@sermon.lab.mkp.net>
2008-11-06 15:42   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-06 15:57     ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-06 22:36 ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-06 22:55   ` Ric Wheeler
     [not found]   ` <491375E9.7020707@redhat.com>
2008-11-06 23:06     ` James Bottomley
2008-11-06 23:10       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-06 23:26         ` James Bottomley
2008-11-06 23:32 ` thin provisioned LUN support - T10 activity Black_David
2008-11-07 11:59 ` thin provisioned LUN support Artem Bityutskiy
2008-11-10 20:39 ` Aggregating discard requests in the filesystem Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-10 20:44   ` Chris Mason
2008-11-11  0:12   ` Brad Boyer
2008-11-11 15:25     ` jim owens
2008-11-11 16:40 ` thin provisioned LUN support Christoph Hellwig
2008-11-11 17:07   ` jim owens
2008-11-11 17:33     ` Christoph Hellwig

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