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From: jim owens <jowens@hp.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>, Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Black_David@emc.com,
	"Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	Tom Coughlan <coughlan@redhat.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>
Subject: Re: thin provisioned LUN support & file system allocation policy
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:35:13 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49146031.70003@hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0811071528190.8115@Nokia-N800-26>

David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Nov 2008, jim owens wrote:
> 
>> Ric Wheeler wrote:
>>
>>> The type of allocation that would help most is something that tries 
>>> to keep the lower block ranges "hot" for allocation, second best 
>>> policy would simply keep the allocated blocks in each block group hot 
>>> and re-allocate them.
>>
>> This block reuse policy ignores the issue of wear leveling...
>> as in most design things, trading one problem for another.
> 
> For SSDs we're being told not to worry our pretty little heads about 
> wear levelling. That gets done for us, with varying degrees of 
> competence, within the black box. All we can do to improve that is 
> pray... and maybe sacrifice the occasional goat.
> 

I'm talking DISK wear not SSD.  The array vendors who are causing
this problem are doing petabyte san devices, not SSDs.

Rewriting the same sectors causes more bad block remaps
until the drive eventually runs out of remap space.




  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-07 15:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-06 14:43 thin provisioned LUN support Ric Wheeler
2008-11-06 15:17 ` James Bottomley
2008-11-06 15:24   ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-06 16:00     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-06 16:40       ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-11-06 17:04         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-06 17:15     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07 12:05     ` Jens Axboe
2008-11-07 12:14       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 12:17         ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-07 12:19         ` Jens Axboe
2008-11-07 14:26           ` thin provisioned LUN support & file system allocation policy Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 14:34             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07 14:45               ` Jörn Engel
2008-11-07 14:43             ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 14:54               ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 15:26                 ` jim owens
2008-11-07 15:31                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-07 15:35                     ` jim owens [this message]
2008-11-07 15:46                       ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 15:51                         ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-11-07 16:06                           ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 15:56                         ` James Bottomley
2008-11-07 15:36                     ` James Bottomley
2008-11-07 15:48                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-07 15:36                   ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 15:45                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07 16:07                       ` jim owens
2008-11-07 16:12                         ` James Bottomley
2008-11-07 16:23                           ` jim owens
2008-11-07 16:02                   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 14:55               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07 15:20         ` thin provisioned LUN support James Bottomley
2008-11-09 23:08           ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-09 23:37             ` James Bottomley
2008-11-10  0:33               ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-10 14:31                 ` James Bottomley
2008-11-07 15:49       ` Chris Mason
2008-11-07 16:00         ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-11-07 16:06           ` James Bottomley
2008-11-07 16:11             ` Chris Mason
2008-11-07 16:18               ` James Bottomley
2008-11-07 16:22                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 16:27                   ` James Bottomley
2008-11-07 16:28                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-07 17:22                 ` Chris Mason
2008-11-07 18:09                   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 18:36                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 18:41                       ` Ric Wheeler
     [not found]                       ` <49148BDF.9050707@redhat.com>
2008-11-07 19:35                         ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 19:55                           ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-11-07 20:19                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 20:21                               ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]                               ` <20081107202149.GJ15439@parisc-linux.org>
2008-11-07 20:26                                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 20:48                                   ` Chris Mason
2008-11-07 21:04                                     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 21:13                                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 20:42                                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 21:06                               ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-11-07 20:37                             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-10  2:44                               ` Black_David
2008-11-10  2:36                           ` Black_David
2008-11-07 19:44                       ` jim owens
2008-11-07 19:48                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07 19:50                         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-09 23:36           ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-10  3:40             ` Thin provisioning & arrays Black_David
2008-11-10  8:31               ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-10  9:59                 ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-10 13:30                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-10 13:36                     ` Jens Axboe
2008-11-10 17:05                   ` UNMAP is a hint Black_David
2008-11-10 17:30                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-10 17:56                       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-10 22:18                   ` Thin provisioning & arrays Dave Chinner
2008-11-11  1:23                     ` Black_David
2008-11-11  2:09                       ` Keith Owens
2008-11-11 13:59                         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-11 14:55                           ` jim owens
2008-11-11 15:38                             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-11 15:59                               ` jim owens
2008-11-11 16:25                                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-11 16:53                                   ` jim owens
2008-11-11 23:08                             ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-11 23:52                               ` jim owens
2008-11-11 22:49                       ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-06 15:27 ` thin provisioned LUN support jim owens
2008-11-06 15:57   ` jim owens
2008-11-06 16:21     ` James Bottomley
     [not found] ` <yq1d4h8nao5.fsf@sermon.lab.mkp.net>
2008-11-06 15:42   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-06 15:57     ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-06 22:36 ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-06 22:55   ` Ric Wheeler
     [not found]   ` <491375E9.7020707@redhat.com>
2008-11-06 23:06     ` James Bottomley
2008-11-06 23:10       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-06 23:26         ` James Bottomley
2008-11-06 23:32 ` thin provisioned LUN support - T10 activity Black_David
2008-11-07 11:59 ` thin provisioned LUN support Artem Bityutskiy
2008-11-10 20:39 ` Aggregating discard requests in the filesystem Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-10 20:44   ` Chris Mason
2008-11-11  0:12   ` Brad Boyer
2008-11-11 15:25     ` jim owens
2008-11-11 16:40 ` thin provisioned LUN support Christoph Hellwig
2008-11-11 17:07   ` jim owens
2008-11-11 17:33     ` Christoph Hellwig

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