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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
Cc: Andreas Dilger <adilger@sun.com>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ray Strode <rstrode@redhat.com>,
	elb@psg.com
Subject: Re: RFC: O_PONIES semantics (well O_REWRITE)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:52:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A38F507.4050104@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1244730231.5047.11.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org>

Trond Myklebust wrote:

> How is this any different than just having your application use
> mkostemp() to create a temporary dot file, then renaming it when done
> writing?

That is exactly what it is.  There are reasons for implementing
it at a lower level in the system, though.

Implementing it in glibc:
- means applications get it right (today, many don't)
- allows for a performance optimization, moving the fsync
   into a specially spawned off temporary thread, so the
   main application doesn't stall

Implementing it in the kernel allows for some further
performance and power optimizations, most notably:
- the sync could be turned into an ordering requirement,
   meaning it can be postponed and even obsoleted by a
   future version of the file
- the ability to postpone the write allows for better
   power saving

-- 
All rights reversed.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-06-17 13:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-11  1:03 RFC: O_PONIES semantics (well O_REWRITE) Rik van Riel
2009-06-11  5:53 ` Andreas Dilger
2009-06-11 14:06   ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-11 14:23     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-06-11 14:32       ` Ray Strode
2009-06-17 13:52       ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2009-06-11  9:51 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-06-12  2:07 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-12  2:20   ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-06-12 17:06     ` Ray Strode

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