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From: Marco <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>,
	Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>,
	Linux Embedded <linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Daniel Walker <dwalker@soe.ucsc.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/14] Pramfs: Persistent and protected ram filesystem
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:07:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A3FC84A.6060608@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090622173704.GC21299@elf.ucw.cz>

Pavel Machek wrote:
> On Mon 2009-06-22 10:31:28, Tim Bird wrote:
>> Pavel Machek wrote:
>>>>> How do you handle hard-links, then?
>>>> Indeed hard-links are not supported :) Due to the design of this fs
>>>> there are some limitations explained in the documentation as not
>>>> hard-link, only private memory mapping and so on. However this
>>>> limitations don't limit the fs itself because you must consider the
>>>> special goal of this fs.
>>> I did not see that in the changelog. If it is not general purpose
>>> filesystem, it is lot less interesting.
>> PRAMFS is not a general purpose filesystem. Please read
>> the introductory post to this thread, or look at
>> http://pramfs.sourceforge.net/ for more information.
> 
> Yeah, I seen that. It directly contradicts what you say.
> 

I don't think, I think it's very clear:

"In summary, PRAMFS is a light-weight, full-featured, and
space-efficient special filesystem that is ideal for systems with a
block of fast non-volatile RAM that need to access data on it using a
standard filesytem interface."


>> Since the purpose of PRAMFS is to provide a filesystem
>> that is persistent across kernel instantions, it is not
>> designed for high speed.  Robustness in the face of
>> kernel crashes or bugs is the highest priority, so
>> PRAMFS has significant overhead to make the window
>> of writability to the filesystem RAM as small as possible.
> 
> Really? So why don't you use well known, reliable fs like ext3?
> 
>> This is not a file system one would do kernel compiles on.
>> This is where someone would keep a small amount of sensitive
>> data, or crash logs that one needed to preserve over kernel
>> invocations.
> 
> Really? Web page says:
> 
> #2. If the backing-store RAM is comparable in access speed to system
> #memory, there's really no point in caching the file I/O data in the
> #page cache. Better to move file data directly between the user buffers
> #and the backing store RAM, i.e. use direct I/O. This prevents the
> #unnecessary 
> 
> So you don't cache it "because its fast", and then it is 13MB/sec?
> 
> 									Pavel

  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-22 18:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-13 13:20 [PATCH 00/14] Pramfs: Persistent and protected ram filesystem Marco
2009-06-13 13:41 ` Daniel Walker
2009-06-13 15:59 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-14  7:15   ` Marco
2009-06-14 11:08     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-06-15 15:51       ` Bryan Henderson
2009-06-15 17:42         ` Marco
2009-06-14 11:46     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-14 16:04       ` Marco
2009-06-16 15:07         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-16 19:15           ` Marco
2009-06-24 17:41             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-25  6:44               ` Marco Stornelli
2009-06-26 11:30                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-26 16:56                   ` Marco
2009-06-24 14:21                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-21  6:40     ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-21 17:34       ` Marco
2009-06-21 20:52         ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-22  6:33           ` Marco Stornelli
2009-06-22 17:20             ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-22 17:31               ` Tim Bird
2009-06-22 17:37                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-22 18:07                   ` Marco [this message]
2009-06-22 20:40                     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2009-06-22 20:40                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-22 21:50                       ` Tim Bird
2009-06-22 21:57                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-22 22:38                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-22 23:26                             ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-23  1:42                               ` David VomLehn
2009-06-23 18:07                           ` Marco
2009-06-23 18:29                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-24 17:47                               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-25  6:32                                 ` Marco Stornelli
2009-06-22 18:55                   ` Tim Bird
2009-06-22 21:02                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-22 22:02                       ` Tim Bird
2009-06-22 18:08                 ` Marco
2009-06-15 17:15 ` Tim Bird
2009-06-15 17:44   ` Marco
2009-06-15 17:58     ` Tim Bird
2009-06-17 18:32 ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-18  6:35   ` Marco Stornelli
     [not found] <4a4254e2.09c5660a.109d.46f8@mx.google.com>
2009-06-24 16:49 ` Marco
2009-06-24 17:38   ` Marco
2009-06-24 17:59     ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-25  6:30       ` Marco Stornelli
2009-06-28  8:59         ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-28 16:44           ` Marco Stornelli
2009-06-28 17:33           ` Marco Stornelli
2009-07-09 23:42             ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-24 17:46   ` Pavel Machek

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