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From: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: adding proper O_SYNC/O_DSYNC, was Re: O_DIRECT and barriers
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:24:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A96C14C.8040105@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090827171044.GA5427@infradead.org>

On 08/27/2009 10:10 AM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> The question is how to handle this at the libc level.  Currently glibc
> defines O_DSYNC to be O_SYNC.  We would need to update glibc to pass
> through O_DSYNC for newer kernels and make sure it falls back to O_SYNC
> for olders.  I'm not sure how feasible this is, but maybe Ulrich has
> some better ideas.

The problem with O_* extensions is that the syscall doesn't fail if the 
flag is not handled.  This is a problem in the open implementation which 
can only be fixed with a new syscall.

Why cannot just go on and say we interpret O_SYNC like O_SYNC and 
O_SYNC|O_DSYNC like O_DSYNC.  The POSIX spec explicitly requires that 
the latter handled like O_SYNC.

We could handle it by allocating two bits, only one is handled in the 
kernel.  If the O_DSYNC definition for userlevel would be different from 
the kernel definition then the kernel could interpret O_SYNC|O_DSYNC 
like O_DSYNC.  The libc would then have to translate the userlevel 
O_DSYNC into the kernel O_DSYNC.  If the libc is too old for the kernel 
and the application, the userlevel flag would be passed to the kernel 
and nothing bad happens.

The cleaner alternative is to have a sys_newopen which checks for 
unknown flags and fails in that case.

-- 
➧ Ulrich Drepper ➧ Red Hat, Inc. ➧ 444 Castro St ➧ Mountain View, CA ❖
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  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-27 17:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1250697884-22288-1-git-send-email-jack@suse.cz>
2009-08-20 22:12 ` O_DIRECT and barriers Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 11:40   ` Jens Axboe
2009-08-21 13:54     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-21 14:26       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 15:24         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-21 17:45           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 19:18             ` Ric Wheeler
2009-08-22  0:50             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-22  2:19               ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-22  2:31                 ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-24  2:34               ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-27 14:34                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-27 17:10                   ` adding proper O_SYNC/O_DSYNC, was " Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-27 17:24                     ` Ulrich Drepper [this message]
2009-08-28 15:46                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 16:06                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 16:17                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 16:33                             ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 16:41                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 20:51                                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 21:08                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 21:16                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-08-28 21:29                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 21:43                                         ` Trond Myklebust
2009-08-28 22:39                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-30 16:44                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 16:46                               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-29  0:59                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 16:44                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 16:50                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 21:08                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-30 16:58                             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-30 17:48                             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 23:06                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 23:46                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 22:08         ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-21 22:38           ` Joel Becker
2009-08-21 22:45           ` Joel Becker
2009-08-22  2:11             ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-24  2:42               ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-24  2:37             ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-22  0:56           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-22  2:06             ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-26  6:34           ` Dave Chinner
2009-08-26 15:01             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-26 18:47               ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-27 14:50                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-21 14:20     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 15:06       ` James Bottomley
2009-08-21 15:23         ` Christoph Hellwig

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