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From: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>
To: Dmitry Monakhov <dmonakhov@openvz.org>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Camille Moncelier <pix@devlife.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	ext4 development <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [ext3] Changes to block device after an ext3 mount point has been remounted readonly
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:57:59 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B855A97.4010702@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877hq2tyg8.fsf@openvz.org>

Dmitry Monakhov wrote:
> Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz> writes:
> 
>>> The fact is that I've been able to reproduce the problem on LVM block
>>> devices, and sd* block devices so it's definitely not a loop device
>>> specific problem.
>>>
>>> By the way, I tried several other things other than "echo s
>>>> /proc/sysrq_trigger" I tried multiple sync followed with a one minute
>>> "sleep",
>>>
>>> "echo 3 >/proc/sys/vm/drop_caches" seems to lower the chances of "hash
>>> changes" but doesn't stops them.
>>   Strange. When I use sync(1) in your script and use /dev/sda5 instead of a
>> /dev/loop0, I cannot reproduce the problem (was running the script for
>> something like an hour).
> Theoretically some pages may exist after rw=>ro remount
> because of generic race between write/sync, And they will be written
> in by writepage if page already has buffers. This not happen in ext4
> because. Each time it try to perform writepages it try to start_journal
> and this result in EROFS.
> The race bug will be closed some day but new one may appear again.
> 
> Let's be honest and change ext3 writepage like follows:
> - check ROFS flag inside write page
> - dump writepage's errors.
> 
> 

sounds like the wrong approach to me, we really need to fix the root
cause and make remount,ro finish the job, I think.

Throwing away writes which an application already thinks are completed
just because remount,ro didn't keep up sounds like a bad idea.  I think
I would much rather have the write complete shortly after the readonly
transition, if I had to choose...

I haven't looked at these paths at all but just hand-wavily,
remount,ro should follow pretty much the same path as freeze,
I think.  And if freeze isn't getting everything on-disk we have
an even bigger problem.

-Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-02-24 16:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-18 16:45 [ext3] Changes to block device after an ext3 mount point has been remounted readonly PiX
2010-02-18 16:50 ` Camille Moncelier
2010-02-18 21:41 ` Andreas Dilger
2010-02-19  7:38   ` Camille Moncelier
2010-02-22 22:32     ` Jan Kara
2010-02-22 23:05       ` Jan Kara
2010-02-22 23:09         ` Andreas Dilger
2010-02-23  8:42           ` Camille Moncelier
2010-02-23 13:55             ` Jan Kara
2010-02-24 16:01               ` Dmitry Monakhov
2010-02-24 16:26                 ` Camille Moncelier
2010-02-24 16:59                   ` Jan Kara
2010-02-24 16:56                 ` Jan Kara
2010-03-02  9:34                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-03-02 10:01                     ` Dmitry Monakhov
2010-03-02 13:26                       ` Jan Kara
2010-03-02 23:10                     ` Joel Becker
2010-02-24 16:57                 ` Eric Sandeen [this message]
2010-02-24 17:05                   ` Jan Kara
2010-02-24 17:26                     ` Dmitry Monakhov
2010-02-24 21:36                       ` Jan Kara
2010-03-02 10:29         ` Nick Piggin

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