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From: Mark Lord <kernel@teksavvy.com>
To: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
Cc: Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@suse.de>,
	Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>, Josef Bacik <josef@redhat.com>,
	Lukas Czerner <lczerner@redhat.com>,
	tytso@mit.edu, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	sandeen@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] fs: Do not dispatch FITRIM through separate super_operation
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:34:30 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CE5C616.7070706@teksavvy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yq1r5eiw5os.fsf@sermon.lab.mkp.net>

On 10-11-18 06:52 PM, Martin K. Petersen wrote:
>>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Lord<kernel@teksavvy.com>  writes:
> Mark>  If FITRIM is still issuing single-range-at-a-time TRIMs, then I'd
> Mark>  call that a BUG that needs fixing.  Doing TRIM like that causes
> Mark>  tons of unnecessary ERASE cycles, shortening the SSD lifetime.  It
> Mark>  really needs to batch them into groups of (up to) 64 ranges at a
> Mark>  time (64 ranges fits into a single 512-byte parameter block).
>
> We don't support coalescing discontiguous requests into one command. But
> we will issue contiguous TRIM requests as big as the payload can
> handle. That's just short of two gigs per command given a 512-byte
> block.
>
> I spent quite a bit of time trying to make coalescing work in the
> spring. It got very big and unwieldy. When we discussed it at the
> filesystem summit the consensus was that it was too intrusive to the I/O
> stack, elevators, etc.

Surely if a userspace tool and shell-script can accomplish this,
totally lacking real filesystem knowledge, then we should be able
to approximate it in kernel space?

This is FITRIM we're talking about, not the on-the-fly automatic TRIM.

FITRIM could perhaps use a similar approach to what wiper.sh does:
reserve a large number of free blocks, and issue coalesced TRIM(s) on them.

The difference being, it could walk through the filesystem,
trimming in sections, rather than trying to reserve/trim the entire
freespace all in one go.

Over-thinking it???

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-19  0:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-18  7:36 [PATCH 1/2] fs: Do not dispatch FITRIM through separate super_operation Lukas Czerner
2010-11-18  7:36 ` [PATCH 2/2] ext4: Add EXT4_IOC_TRIM ioctl to handle batched discard Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 16:19   ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 16:26     ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-20  1:37       ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-18 13:06 ` [PATCH 1/2] fs: Do not dispatch FITRIM through separate super_operation Matthew Wilcox
2010-11-18 13:48   ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-18 14:19     ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-11-18 14:29       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-18 17:19         ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 17:22           ` Jeff Moyer
2010-11-18 17:41             ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 20:04               ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-18 21:42                 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 21:44                 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 21:50                   ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 22:07                     ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19  1:33                       ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19  3:44                         ` Mark Lord
     [not found]                         ` <4CE5F2A1.2000009@teksavvy.com>
2010-11-19 13:58                           ` Jeff Moyer
2010-11-18 23:52                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-11-19  0:34                     ` Mark Lord [this message]
2010-11-19  1:16                       ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-19 11:55                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 14:01                           ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:06                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 14:48                               ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:54                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 15:24                                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:34                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 16:20                           ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-19 16:38                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 18:06                               ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 18:10                                 ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 18:14                                   ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 19:29                                 ` Chris Mason
2010-11-19  1:49                       ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-11-19  3:42                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 18:05             ` Jamie Lokier
2010-11-18 19:32               ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-11-18 21:45                 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 21:50                   ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-11-18 22:09                     ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 17:35           ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 12:16             ` Steven Whitehouse
2010-11-19 13:53               ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:02                 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 14:10                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 14:50                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:35                   ` Mark Lord
     [not found]                   ` <20101119141007.GB25488@infradead.org>
2010-11-19 15:37                     ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 15:50                       ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                       ` <20101119155003.GA7145@infradead.org>
2010-11-19 16:16                         ` Ted Ts'o
     [not found]                   ` <4CE69940.6040908@teksavvy.com>
2010-11-19 15:44                     ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 16:30                       ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 22:49                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25  2:48                         ` Mark Lord
     [not found]                         ` <4CEDCE60.9050109@teksavvy.com>
2010-11-25  4:23                           ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-11-25 14:44                             ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25  4:41                           ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-25 14:53                             ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25 16:24                               ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-26 13:49                                 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-26 14:00                                   ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-18 17:55           ` Chris Mason
2010-12-03 18:24             ` Ric Wheeler
2010-11-18 21:37           ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 11:09             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 13:54               ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:40             ` Chris Mason
2010-11-19 14:53               ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:57                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 15:21                   ` Mark Lord
2010-12-07  9:27                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-12-07 16:52                       ` Chris Mason
2011-06-02  4:52                         ` Kyungmin Park
2011-06-02  8:14                           ` Lukas Czerner
2011-06-03  2:06                           ` Dave Chinner
2011-06-03  4:25                             ` Kyungmin Park
2010-11-19 15:30                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-21 19:07                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-11-21 20:20                   ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 14:31       ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-18 14:36         ` Tao Ma
2010-11-19 15:41 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 15:50   ` Christoph Hellwig

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