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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Dave Chinner <david-FqsqvQoI3Ljby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Jeremy Allison <jra-eUNUBHrolfbYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>,
	Ric Wheeler <ricwheeler-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-scsi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
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	linux-fsdevel
	<linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Hannes Reinecke <hare-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Joel Becker <jlbec-aKy9MeLSZ9dg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	James Bottomley
	<James.Bottomley-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: copy offload support in Linux - new system call needed?
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:29:50 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EEFC8EE.70001@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111219225722.GS23662@dastard>

On 12/19/2011 02:57 PM, Dave Chinner wrote:
> 
> That was my immediate thought, but sendfile has plumbing that is
> page cache based and we require completely different infrastructure
> and semantics for an array offload.
> 

The plumbing is internal to the kernel and doesn't mean we have to use
the same VFS methods.

> e.g. for an array offload, we have to flush the source file page
> cache first so that the data being copied is known to be on disk,
> then invalidate the destination page cache if overwriting or extend
> and pre-allocate blocks if not. Then we have to map both files and
> hand that off to the array.
> 
> Then there's a whole bunch of tricky questions about what the state
> of the destination file should look like while the copy is in
> progress, whether the source file should be allowed to change (e.g.
> it can't be truncated and have blocks freed and then reused by other
> files half way through the copy offload operation), and so on.
> 
> sendfile() has well known, fixed semantics that we can't change to
> suit what is needed for an offload operation that could potentially
> take hours to complete. Hence I think an new syscall is the way to
> go....

Perhaps what we need first in an explicit enumeration of the semantics
you're looking for.

	-hpa

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      reply	other threads:[~2011-12-19 23:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-14 19:22 copy offload support in Linux - new system call needed? Ric Wheeler
2011-12-14 19:27 ` Al Viro
     [not found]   ` <20111214192739.GN2203-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-14 19:42     ` Ric Wheeler
     [not found]       ` <4EE8FC2E.3010207-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-14 22:27         ` J. Bruce Fields
2011-12-15 14:59           ` Trond Myklebust
2011-12-15 15:52             ` Chris Mason
2011-12-15 16:00               ` Trond Myklebust
2011-12-15 16:03               ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]                 ` <20111215110330.33aed3a6-xSBYVWDuneFaJnirhKH9O4GKTjYczspe@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-15 16:06                   ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                     ` <1323965176.14317.11.camel-SyLVLa/KEI9HwK5hSS5vWB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-15 16:16                       ` Jeff Layton
2011-12-15 16:38                         ` Trond Myklebust
2011-12-15 16:08             ` Loke, Chetan
     [not found]               ` <D3F292ADF945FB49B35E96C94C2061B91516E391-2s2rCY1e8UXHBhWB4kaBDUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-15 16:11                 ` Trond Myklebust
2011-12-15 16:40                   ` Loke, Chetan
2011-12-15 16:53                     ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                       ` <1323968015.14317.28.camel-SyLVLa/KEI9HwK5hSS5vWB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-15 17:18                         ` Ric Wheeler
2011-12-15 17:25                           ` Trond Myklebust
2011-12-15 17:31                           ` Loke, Chetan
2011-12-15 17:55                             ` Ric Wheeler
2011-12-15 17:27                         ` Loke, Chetan
     [not found]             ` <1323961140.14317.2.camel-SyLVLa/KEI9HwK5hSS5vWB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-15 17:44               ` J. Bruce Fields
2011-12-16  8:00       ` Joel Becker
2011-12-14 19:59 ` Jeremy Allison
2011-12-14 20:30   ` Ric Wheeler
2011-12-19 12:38     ` Hannes Reinecke
2011-12-19 22:19   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-12-19 22:34     ` Jeremy Allison
2011-12-19 22:57     ` Dave Chinner
2011-12-19 23:29       ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]

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