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From: "Srivatsa S. Bhat" <srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Cc: mc@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Stephen Boyd <sboyd@codeaurora.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>,
	david@fromorbit.com,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Maciej Rutecki <maciej.rutecki@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] VFS: br_write_lock locks on possible CPUs other than online CPUs
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 00:42:04 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EF0DE04.6030604@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111220175919.GE23916@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On 12/20/2011 11:29 PM, Al Viro wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 08:05:32PM +0530, Srivatsa S. Bhat wrote:
> 
>> Sorry but I didn't quite get your point...
>> No two cpu hotplug operations can race because of the cpu_hotplug lock they
>> use. Hence, if a cpu online operation begins, it has to succeed or fail
>> eventually. No other cpu hotplug operation can intervene. Ditto for cpu offline
>> operations.
>>
>> Hence a CPU_UP_PREPARE event *will* be followed by a corresponding
>> CPU_UP_CANCELED or CPU_ONLINE event for the same cpu. (And we ignore the
>> CPU_STARTING event that comes in between, on purpose, so as to avoid the race
>> with cpu_online_mask). Similar is the story for offline operation.
>>
>> And if the notifier grabs the spinlock and keeps it locked between these 2
>> points of a cpu hotplug operation, it ensures that our br locks will spin,
>> instead of block till the cpu hotplug operation is complete. Isn't this what
>> we desired all along? "A non-blocking way to sync br locks with cpu hotplug"?
>>
>> Or am I missing something?
> 
> The standard reason why losing the timeslice while holding a spinlock means
> deadlocks?
> CPU1: grabs spinlock
> CPU[2..n]: tries to grab the same spinlock, spins
> CPU1: does something blocking, process loses timeslice
> CPU1: whatever got scheduled there happens to to try and grab the same
> spinlock and you are stuck.  At that point *all* CPUs are spinning on
> that spinlock and your code that would eventually unlock it has no chance
> to get any CPU to run on.
> 
> Having the callback grab and release a spinlock is fine (as long as you
> don't do anything blocking between these spin_lock/spin_unlock).  Having
> it leave with spinlock held, though, means that the area where you can't
> block has expanded a whole lot.  As I said, brittle...
> 


Ah, now I see your point! Thanks for the explanation.

> A quick grep through the actual callbacks immediately shows e.g.
> del_timer_sync() done on CPU_DOWN_PREPARE.  And sysfs_remove_group(),
> which leads to outright mutex_lock().  And sysfs_remove_link() (ditto).
> And via_cputemp_device_remove() (again, mutex_lock()).  And free_irq().
> And perf_event_exit_cpu() (mutex_lock()).  And...
> 
> IOW, there are shitloads of deadlocks right there.  If your callback's
> position in the chain is earlier than any of those, you are screwed.
> 


The thought makes me shudder!

> No, what I had in mind was different - use the callbacks to maintain a

> bitmap that would contain
> 	a) all CPUs that were online at the moment
> 	b) ... and not too much else
> Updates protected by spinlock; in all cases it gets dropped before the
> callback returns.  br_write_lock() grabs that spinlock and iterates over
> the set; it *does* leave the spinlock grabbed - that's OK, since all
> code between br_write_lock() and br_write_unlock() must be non-blocking
> anyway.  br_write_unlock() iterates over the same bitmap (unchanged since
> br_write_lock()) and finally drops the spinlock.
> 


I had this same thing in mind when I started out to write the patch.. but
after Cong raised that concern, I changed track and in the meantime, tried
to get rid of maintaining our own bitmap as well...
But unfortunately that turned out to be disastrous!

> AFAICS, what we want in callback is
> 	CPU_DEAD, CPU_DEAD_FROZEN, CPU_UP_CANCELLED, CPU_UP_CANCELLED_FROZEN:
> 		grab spinlock
> 		remove cpu from bitmap
> 		drop spinlock
> 	CPU_UP_PREPARE, CPU_UP_PREPARE_FROZEN
> 		grab spinlock
> 		add cpu to bitmap
> 		drop spinlock
> That ought to keep bitmap close to cpu_online_mask, which is enough for
> our purposes.
> 


Yes, that should do. And while initializing our bitmap, we could use
  
get_online_cpus()
make a copy of cpu_online_mask
put_online_cpus()

since blocking here is acceptable, as this is done in the lock_init() code.
Right?

That would be better than

register_hotcpu_notifier(...);
grab spinlock
for_each_online_cpu(N)
  add N to bitmap
release spinlock

because the latter code is not fully race-free (because we don't handle
CPU_DOWN_PREPARE event in the callback and hence cpu_online_mask can get
updated in-between). But it would still work since cpus going down don't
really pose problems for us.

However the former code is race-free, and we can afford it since we are
free to block at that point.

Regards,
Srivatsa S. Bhat


  reply	other threads:[~2011-12-20 19:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-19  3:36 [PATCH] VFS: br_write_lock locks on possible CPUs other than online CPUs mengcong
2011-12-19  4:11 ` Al Viro
2011-12-19  5:00   ` Dave Chinner
2011-12-19  6:07     ` mengcong
2011-12-19  7:31 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2011-12-19  9:12   ` Stephen Boyd
2011-12-19 11:03     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2011-12-19 12:11       ` Al Viro
2011-12-19 20:23         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2011-12-19 20:52           ` Al Viro
2011-12-20  4:56             ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2011-12-20  6:27               ` Al Viro
2011-12-20  7:28                 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2011-12-20  9:37                   ` mengcong
2011-12-20 10:36                     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2011-12-20 11:08                       ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2011-12-20 12:50                         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2011-12-20 14:06                           ` Al Viro
2011-12-20 14:35                             ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2011-12-20 17:59                               ` Al Viro
2011-12-20 19:12                                 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat [this message]
2011-12-20 19:58                                   ` Al Viro
2011-12-20 22:27                                     ` Dave Chinner
2011-12-20 23:31                                       ` Al Viro
2011-12-21 21:15                                     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2011-12-21 22:02                                       ` Al Viro
2011-12-21 22:12                                       ` Andrew Morton
2011-12-22  7:02                                         ` Al Viro
2011-12-22  7:20                                           ` Andrew Morton
2011-12-22  8:08                                             ` Al Viro
2011-12-22  8:17                                               ` Andi Kleen
2011-12-22  8:39                                                 ` Al Viro
2011-12-22  8:22                                             ` Andi Kleen
2011-12-20  7:30                 ` mengcong
2011-12-20  7:37                   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2011-12-19 23:56         ` Dave Chinner
2011-12-20  4:05           ` Al Viro

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