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From: Sunil Mushran <sunil.mushran@oracle.com>
To: Lukas Czerner <lczerner@redhat.com>
Cc: Zheng Liu <gnehzuil.liu@gmail.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] fadvise: add more flags to provide a hint for block allocation
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 09:53:29 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F564F19.50804@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1203061504230.5085@dhcp-27-109.brq.redhat.com>

On 03/06/2012 06:29 AM, Lukas Czerner wrote:
> However the file system do not have the information which part of the
> device it resides on is faster. It might be the beginning of the file
> system, but it might not be the case at all.


Think HSM and flash storage as the hot region. Remember these are
hints and not guaranteed to work in all cases.


> Moreover the flag which is stating that the file does not have to be
> allocated sequentially is not particularly helpful, I can not imagine
> people using it. Why would someone want to lower their performance ?
> Well, they might think that it will increase performance of the other
> files, but that is highly disputable and there are better solutions like
> using faster storage for the files that actually needs it.
>
> Additionally *_HOT* flag does not say anything about the allocation
> policy. It might be accessed often ,but no in sequential manner, or it
> can be written to a lot, it can be appended a lot, or it the content
> might be changed without changing its size etc... *Hot* might mean so
> many thing that this is just not useful for the file system. It would
> certainly be better to come up with something less esoteric which would
> actually address concrete user issues and help file system to deal with
> them better, like, I do not know, do not fsync/force allocation on
> rename maybe...(or whatever we are doing right now).

_HOT/_COLD is descriptive for allocation policy though fadvise() is
the wrong call as it pertains to access patterns.

Sunil

  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-06 17:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-05 12:50 [RFC] fadvise: add more flags to provide a hint for block allocation Zheng Liu
2012-03-05 19:48 ` Sunil Mushran
2012-03-06  2:35   ` Zheng Liu
2012-03-06  4:26     ` Sunil Mushran
2012-03-06 13:30       ` Zheng Liu
2012-03-06  8:27 ` Lukas Czerner
2012-03-06 13:56   ` Zheng Liu
2012-03-06 14:29     ` Lukas Czerner
2012-03-06 17:53       ` Sunil Mushran [this message]
2012-03-07  8:51         ` Lukas Czerner
2012-03-07 17:11           ` Ted Ts'o
2012-03-07  0:51 ` Dave Chinner
2012-03-07  4:14   ` Andreas Dilger
2012-03-07  5:02     ` Martin K. Petersen
2012-03-07 12:11       ` Dave Chinner
2012-03-08  4:23         ` Martin K. Petersen
2012-03-08  7:07           ` Dave Chinner
2012-03-08 17:01             ` Martin K. Petersen

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